Study: Abortion doesn't cause teen depression

from what i've studied, the folks that are most gung-ho for pro life delivered the shocking news about alarming death rates among ethnic groups, directly resulting from abortion/planned parent-hood/eugenics program.

many say that this will back fire and increase birth rates astronomicaly for these ethnic groups in a matter of short time if we don't address the issue of sexuallity at such early ages. so what's needed is true parent-hood planning for the care of babies instead of planning to kill them until the parent is "ready".

nature has a divine supernatual way of balancing out whats un-natural whether or not we intervene by volition; nevertheles, our conscience guides us accordingly.

directly resulting from abortion/planned parent-hood/eugenics program.

If that wasn't such ridiculous propaganda, it'd be funny. Eugenics program? Yea Right!

i read a book from 1991 called behold a pale horse. is it just a coincident that what's killing african americans more than even the hiv, cancer, and heart disease combined is the rate of young ladies that have abortions in this country. no one would ever plan this out huh?

the shame is loss of conscience that grows. it takes a divine intervention to bring these young ladies back to life after they've gone so far.

blame it on what you want, but i will help take responsibility for spreading this info. great day to you.

killing african americans more than even the hiv, cancer, and heart disease combined is the rate of young ladies that have abortions in this country

If you're referring to the fact that black women are three times more likely to have an abortion that white women are, you need to look at the fact that black women are also three times more likely to have an unintended pregnancy. The math is pretty straightforward there.

Reduce unintended pregnancies = reduce abortions.

Very simple.

well the sadder fact is that my mom didnt plan for me either, but i thank the elohim for helping her make the better decision, i think.

i think that an overwhelming number of african american women never planned their pregnancies since coming to this world, but here we are, and who wishes all those women had better access to secrret abortion worship? let's not answer that question for the affirmative.

someone figured out which women would be more likely to chose death, and under what circumstances. this ideology is what's been implemented under the guise of ethnic population control. now they cater to these under age females disguised as fairies and angels that stepped in just in time to "stop them from ruining their lives".woe unto you who hurt these little ones.

secrret abortion worship

What are you chewing on and what does any of the rest of what you said after that mean?

Seriously, I'm confused.

ogx1 is spewing nonsensical propaganda, I believe it's a disease. DFTT

i'd have been more depressed if i was forced to have a baby i didnt want and didnt have means to support.

Can you imagine the depression (not to mention the horror) at being forced to carry something in your body for 9 months that you don't want there?

I was thinking "Don't" instead of "Do Not". LOL

My apologies, however her nonsense is just that.

secrret abortion worship

disguised as fairies and angels

Yeah...oooookaaaaaaaaay.

Soph0571, Got it. This is the first time I've come across oxg, she says some really weird stuff in regards to abortion.

"abortion/planned parent-hood/eugenics program."

"no one would ever plan this out huh?"

"better access to secrret abortion worship?"

"under the guise of ethnic population control."

"disguised as fairies and angels"

That some weird sh!t IMO. But I'll take your word for it.

oxg, shouldn't you turn yourself back in to the mental ward? They are no doubt looking for you.

hello all my new friends and foes. i happen to have done some xtensive research into this nwo thing. the reverse side of the dollar bill and the bible lead me to find out some very interesting things goning on in the churches, courts, schools, military, and much more.

if it's not alarming to any of you that the rate of under age girls performing this proactice then my info to you will only be spewed back as poison. but im not even the messenger, im like a parot. lol

starting at home, ive learned to be more active in giving young ladies more responsibility before marriage and pregnancy. most of these young ladies need to learn these responsibilities exactly where they are at--pregnant or not. abortion aought to regulated and never for profit. these doctors ought to donate time and skill in cases such as abortion--which aught to be very few ligit cases. this will teach our youth something better than what the trend has rendered.

but who cares about the numbers right? the principle aught to remain "choice" you say? well some of us who are aware of something much more sinister at hand have chosen to teach a counter ideology for life.

who cares about EVERYONE else or Statics its up to the individual to choose abortion, adoption, or birth. i'm all for better sexual education, but the truth not the g rated version, kids/teens/ etc should all know the risks, the scarifies, the cost, the lost of one teen freedom. and all about prevention why do pro lifers always attack pro choosers or people who think or have had an abortion? do we attack them? no if you want to have 30 kids thats fine by me, but if im not ready to have and support a baby then people should give some respect. its a hard decision to make and i think pro lifers dont and cant understand a womans mentality when thinking about to keep or abort because every womans situation is different. so forget everyone else and show respect we're not hurting you or killing a baby that can or has survived outside the womb

Or alternatively DNFTT LOL but ogx is not a troll;) she is on my friend list because a liberal heart beats there on many issues...I guess this isn't one of them. And I disagree with her whole heartedly on this..!

Are you sure you've got the right name?

How about the depression a child feels when they find out they weren't wanted?

;-]

i read a book from 1991 called behold a pale horse.

So did I. Granted, it's been a few years but I don't recall any mention of black women and abortions. Could you tell me what chapter that was or in which appendix?

well cooper didn't spell it out like that. i believe that he made reference to the eugenics program and how grim its essence is. i studied a lil bit on eugenics on my own and found out some very grim facts that all seem to stem from this same source of people and have coincidently (one sould suppose) the outcome is the desired result--ethnic population control.

the fact is that the planet is far from being remotely close to being "over-populated". the land that is most agriculturally rich is colonialized, and proceeds go to you know who.

been so long since i read that book. maybe there's an online index for the book. but it's probably best to simply google "eugenics".

Previous generations' morals were not much different than today's. People who believe that are pretty naive.

My grandparents were born in 1897 and 1899 - they had to get married.....my dad had 7 brothers and sister - 3 of them had to get married including my parents - between them they're 28 grandchildren ranging from 62-40.....one of the older ones had to get married.....my 44 year old sister and her partner have two sons but aren't married and don't plan to marry......so what's that about my son's generation????

The myth of abortion trauma syndrome

http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/42/14/28.1.full

Most women do not regret abortion

http://women.webmd.com/news/20000822/study-says-most-women-dont-regret-abortion

And my favorite;

Surgeon General C. Everett Koop's letter to President Reagan regarding the President's request that he prepare a report on the physical and mental health effects of abortion. Which the Surgeon General could not find any link between abortion and mental health issues and/or physical health issues.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2181996/KoopLetter

Most women do not regret abortion

Agreed.....after you'd made the decision to have the abortion and the procedure is done, I think more women would say they feel relief.......I know from personal experience that it was a difficult decision to make, but I've never regretted it in the past 33 years. Why, because for me, it was the right decision to make at the time.....

kj031056-1, I applaud you because it shows that you firmly believe in making important decisions on your own and not having others influence you with their own cock-eyed beliefs.

way to be yourself, HB.

Every woman I've ever known who has had an abortion has experienced nothing but relief. Depression? No way. Women are smarter than to believe that crap.

I believe there's more depression as a result of child birth rather than depression as a result of abortion. I know, I experienced horrible post partum depression after having my children, even suicide attempts, it's very scary. But you don't people using post partum depression as a reason to end childbirth rights, like they continuously use depression in an attempt to end abortion rights.

Agreed, Lola.

Some people get depressed; some don't. Does that mean we should completely avoid any way of getting depressed that may or may not even happen? Should we avoid pregnancy or an abortion because it may cause depression? Hell, I know people that are depressed because they want children, but can't for one reason or another.

If that is the case, then people are screwed either way. Get an abortion = depression. Give brith = depression. Can't have kids = depression.

Checkmate: "I know people WHO are depressed because they want children....."

You tell those people that if they REALLY want children - they can contact Dr. Gupta on his website and he will be THRILLED to tell them all about the millions of desperate, starving children who would LOVE A LOVING HOME AND TO BE ADOPTED - in this country of any other.

END of depression problem for EVERYONE! Happiness and joy will abound!

i thought that our pharmacies figured this out long ago

Harry, they want children but these are the problems:

1. They biologically can't have children

2. They can't afford a child.

3. They can't literally care for the child.

4. They don't want to adopt and want to have their OWN child.

5. They are single, waiting for the right man, wanting to start a family and they haven't found a man.

6. They are too old.

7. They can't afford to adopt a child.

8. They can't afford fertility drugs or cannot take the drugs due to a medical reason.

And the list continues.

Adoption is good, but it may not end the problem.

I assume you haven't watched any of the tv shows "Sixteen and pregnant"......it seems to me that more teenagers are having babies than not.....

All three admitted they were deeply saddened by their experience.

I'm deeply saddened by my cesarean, it doesn't me doctors should stop performing cesareans.

Adoption is not for everyone.

Lola,

Thank you for reminding me. I forgot the other catagory, the biggest one of all. I refer to the women who had an unplanned pregnancy, had the baby, with or without marrying the father, and are delighted being a mom. This group includes members of my own family, neighbors, co-workers and others.

Sex is natural. Pregnancy is natural. Abortion is not.

Abortion is not.

Sure it is. 50-75% of pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion before a woman even knows she's pregnant.

Adoption, abortion, or keeping the child are all alternatives, and each woman should be informed about each of them before making her decision.

She does not need some anti- this or anti- that group feeding her some half-baked crap. You know who you are, anti-choicers!! (called "Pro-Life" by some).

we certainly feel the painful thought of having to live in an america where abortion is illegal, how would this affect our communities of urban life? pp shouldn't stop; we've infiltrated long ago.

just like dept of economic sec. doesn't fund just anybody, and firmily urges you to stand on your own feet; the abortion porocess aught to be even more meticulous. too many young ladies are still disproportionately discouraged from taking care of the life they decided to help create. and there's far too many women just having fun.

Shannoscubie

There is a world of difference in a miscarrage and an abortion.

Tina-

hat she does not need is some psuedo help group (PPFA) fronting for a bunch of money grubbing abortionists telling her a load of crap, like "It's just some cells" "It's not really human" etc.

It IS "just some cells". Regardless, Planned Parenthood most certainly does NOT make statements to their clients like "It's not really human". That's ridiculous.

too many young ladies are still disproportionately discouraged from taking care of the life they decided to help create

Where are the men in that comment.

and there's far too many women just having fun.

Really? How many women are just having fun, what amount would make you feel comfortable? Should women not have fun? Does barefoot and pregnant tickle your fancy or what?

What ridiculous comments.

micrometer - Point being, if someone is saddened by something it does not mean it should be stopped or outlawed. Child birth causes many women to experience awful post partum depression. Because of this depression that's linked to childbirth should the government outlaw childbirth?

There is a world of difference in a miscarrage and an abortion.

Not really. A woman is just as much a part of the natural process that determines whether or not she should carry a baby to term. The end result of an abortion is the same as a miscarriage: no baby. About 80% of abortions AND miscarriages occur in the first trimester.

Shanno (and Tina, below

You are very good with mixing just enough fact into your fictions to make them seem reasonable. If you combine miscarriages and abortions, yes, you may get your 80%.

To suggest that a woman is "just as much a part of the process", is saying that vigilante justice is the same as due process of law in a capital case. Yes, the end result is the same, but the process is very different.

Tina

You are correct to say "that's ridiculous", but I have seen PP literature that says that in so many words, so it is they who are ridiculous. And I suppose to the extent you choose to define terms, you and I are "just a bunch of cells"

I think most women who have had an abortion are in denial of their true feelings. They rationalize what they have done by statements put out by the abortion industry. Once again, it is like Big Tobacco denying a causal relationship between smoking and a whole range of human illnesses.

I think most women who have had an abortion are in denial of their true feelings.

You may THINK you know how other women feel, but you'd be wrong much of the time. Everyone is different. I don't like children. I have never wanted them. I have been lucky enough to have access to birth control and lucky to have NOT gotten pregnant when I was raped. But I would have had an abortion if I got pregnant (and still will).

I have no interest whatsoever in carrying a fetus or giving birth. I refuse to do it. Just because I am a woman does NOT mean I like children, or want to be a mother. I never needed anyone to influence my feelings on the subject and I am still told on a daily basis that I should have children. Not all of us are easily influenced and many of us know EXACTLY what we want or do NOT want.

I think most women who have had an abortion are in denial of their true feelings. They rationalize what they have done by statements put out by the abortion industry.

How utterly arrogant to think that you know more about what these women feel than they do.

You are very good with mixing just enough fact into your fictions to make them seem reasonable. If you combine miscarriages and abortions, yes, you may get your 80%.

Nope, I Googled several different websites, including pregnancy help sites for miscarriage by trimester statistics. The 80% figure does NOT represent the percentage of pregnancies that end in either miscarriage or abortion, it's the number of miscarriages and abortions that occur in the first trimester. Very different.

To suggest that a woman is "just as much a part of the process", is saying that vigilante justice is the same as due process of law in a capital case. Yes, the end result is the same, but the process is very different.

No. Vigilantism and due process involve crime. Abortion isn't one.

When a woman's body rejects a fertilized egg, it's either because her body was not ready or the fertilized egg was defective in some way. Nature is efficient in that, in most instances, it prevents women from expending the great deal of energy and resources required to bring a baby to term and give birth to it. When a woman has an abortion, she is doing the same thing, but at a conscious level where she is making the decision to preserve her energy and resources for the current family she has (over 60% of women who have an abortion already have at least one child) or until such time as she is ready to carry a child to term, if she wishes to.

kaviaq

I'm very sorry to learn that you had been raped. And I do agree, not every woman wants to be a mother. But you have to understand that once the life process has begun, to terminate that lfe is wrong. Modern couples can take a whole range of options to prevent pregnancy, and many do, but when contraception fails, there is a new responsibility created.

Shanno- re your last paragraph: By your logic a man should be able to insist his S/O have an abortion too. Of course, he cannot, therefore your argument fails.

But you have to understand that once the life process has begun, to terminate that lfe is wrong.

No, I don't think it is. It has no brain and can not suffer its destruction in any way.

but when contraception fails, there is a new responsibility created.

Yes, I'll be responsible for paying to have the parasite removed. Sorry, I have no sympathy for a blob of cells with no brain and no central nervous system.

But you have to understand that once the life process has begun, to terminate that lfe is wrong.

No, she doesn't have to understand that, because it's not true. A fertilized egg/early-term fetus is not a person. It is a potential human being. At the time most abortions are performed there is no one home in the fetal shell.

We pull the plug on people who have lost certain brain functions, considering them no longer in residence. It only stands to reason that a fetal body that has not yet developed those brain functions doesn't have "anyone" home, either.

By your logic a man should be able to insist his S/O have an abortion too. Of course, he cannot, therefore your argument fails.

That's not my logic, that's yours. Biologically, men are not at any risk during pregnancy or childbirth.

dept. of economic sec. would beg to differ, and definitely the dead beats on the run. lol

men are not at any risk during pregnancy or childbirth.

ogx1 - Can you name one medical risk a man takes when a woman is pregnant or giving birth?

Of the women that I know who have had an abortion not one of them has felt regret about it or have they become depressed. Those who have wanted a child and have had a miscarriage have had a much different experience. As for those who have had children while they where teenagers, even those who kept their children, things haven't run quite so smooth. Either for the mother or for the child.

Sorry, just don't see the horror stories about a safe and legal abortion happening that often. Unless of course the girl has already had some problems anyway. Thats my experience at least.

Sorry, just don't see the horror stories about a safe and legal abortion happening that often.

It's extremely rare.

Unless of course the girl has already had some problems anyway. Thats my experience at least.

Or an anti-choice group or person gets hold of her saying to her "you killed your baby, how could you, you're going to hell" until she suddenly starts feeling guilt and depressed about having an abortion after being brainwashed by this so-called anti-choice christian person or group. Then these anti-choice christians suddenly say, "see she's depressed over killing her own child". *eyes roll*

I believe in God, wait I'll go one better I was raised Catholic. I can't say I go to church much at all, but as far as churches go I still feel the most comfortable in a Catholic church. Even so, as soon as I was old enough to have a basic understanding of birth control and what abortion was I knew which side of the fence I landed on in regards to both. I know my stance on it and my feelings about both run contrary to not only the Catholic church but to many churches but some things feel right and some things feel wrong. The biggest problem with this issue is having an opinion on this and not allowing others to have theirs. For me, I am right. For someone else, they can choose the opposite and that is their right. It's just too bad that can't be enough.

this is definitely war

You want to see war? Try taking away my right to control my own body.....you'll see a war then.

don't assume that we are pious pertaining to our own self control

It's the pious attitude toward controlling other peoples' bodies that's the creepy part.

some people almost have a sense of adoration for the practice of abortion

The sooner you recognize how completely and utterly wrong that is in terms of the fact that NOBODY is "pro-abortion" the sooner you will understand that reproductive rights are women's rights. Which are not just about the right to abortion but about the right to everything from accurate sexual education to contraceptives to the right to give birth when, where and how we feel is best for us and our families.

These rights affect not just women who do or may need an abortion but ALL women and girls from those who are not pregnant yet or don't want to be to those who are happily on their way to birthing a whole football team's worth of children. If we as a society allow the rights of women to be curtailed in favor of giving rights to blastocysts, it doesn't say much about what we as a society think of women.

this is definitely war.

Come again?

some people almost have a sense of adoration for the practice of abortion.

No one "adores" abortion. But I think some people "adore" the choice they have.

are the fetis' sold on the black market for stem cell reserch or something?

Now you're losing credibility with conspiracy theories. Besides, I'm all for stem cell research anyways. Might as well put fetus' to good use rather than simply discarding them.

wow. let us clarify. im saying that i like the fact that suicide is illegal. does the victim give a darn about the law?

if abortionist want to induce a miscariage, i will try to stop them, and it should be illegal for a doctor to go into a young woman and kill the unborn without the parent even knowing. it should be illegal even for adults. let them perform their own abortions, then maybe the rates will decrease.

very rare circumstances should favor abortion. im glad im not the only one who feels this way. you should be able to do what you want, but there's always consequences. some love to have "legal" co-defendants i suppose.

. it should be illegal even for adults. let them perform their own abortions, then maybe the rates will decrease.

You can't be for real.

im saying that i like the fact that suicide is illegal. does the victim give a darn about the law?

How is suicide remotely connected to abortion?

if abortionist want to induce a miscariage, i will try to stop them

Really? How do you intend to do that? More importantly, how it any of your business what a person chooses to do?

and it should be illegal for a doctor to go into a young woman and kill the unborn without the parent even knowing.

It's not illegal if consent is given.

it should be illegal even for adults. let them perform their own abortions, then maybe the rates will decrease.

People used to do their own abortions. They were called back alley abortions and the rates of women's deaths were higher because of it. Is that more acceptable to you?

very rare circumstances should favor abortion.

Then you're a hypocrite. Either ALL abortions is ok or none is.

im glad im not the only one who feels this way.

Which is what is really sad and scary.

you should be able to do what you want, but there's always consequences.

Yet you want to limit what people should be able to do?

You can't be for real.

I think he is.

Ban abortion and you will get:

More babies being entered in the adoption/foster home system. . .because there are not ENOUGH in there already *sarcasm*. There are kids that spend their entire lives there.

More back alley abortions. There is no way in hell you can stop it.

Suicide by pregnant women who had their choices ripped from them as they are nothing more than cattle to these pro-lifers.

Also, I would love to know how one can stop someone from having a self miscarriage/abortion. If a pregnant woman falls down the stairs and loses the baby, was that a miscarriage or self abortion? If it was an accident, it is labeled a miscarriage; if on purpose, it's an abortion. How can you tell if she did it on purpose or not?

A number of years back, a teen girl got pregnant and found out that the baby was born with water on the brain; it wasn't going to survive. She wanted an abortion; her parents forced her to give birth. Then she was forced to breastfeed the limp, brain dead baby and had it die in her arms. Now, you tell me what is worse: getting an abortion or forced to give birth to a baby that won't survive and have it die in your arms?

Checkmate: Using reason, logic and not sappy emotion, BAN abortion and you will get:

- The poorest of the poor having unwanted children so society will take care of these children in every way. (ie Taxpayer)

- The middle and upper classes will do what they have always done: Either find a Dr. to do it in this country for a very high fee in his/her office or have it performed in another country. (Therefore other countries make huge profits (again) off our citizens)

Bottom line: Oh the costs to the US citizen taxpayer!

Indeed, Harry.

I find it ironic that most pro-lifers are against welfare and raising taxes, BUT see no problem of a woman giving birth. . .unless she has to apply for welfare afterwards in order for her to raise herself and her child or the child to be put up for adoption and having to be raised by the state.

You can't have it both ways. You can't tell a poor woman that she MUST give birth and then b**** and moan about the fact that she gave birth and your taxes are going to raise a child that she can't afford.

let them perform their own abortions, then maybe the rates will decrease.

Perhaps we should have people perform their own heart by-passes surgeries and stint procedures therefore reducing unhealthy life styles. Hell why not stop treating STD's then people will stop having sex altogether and abortion will never be needed at all. Or we could stock up on sperm and remove all sex organs at birth except for ovaries and the uterus, no sex but we can still populate the earth. /s/

money seems to be a huge factor in these comments. who pays for the abortions when the young girl can't afford it? i guess these are comments from doctors (their employees or family) who want to solidify the career.

if young ladies are nurtured with love and skills for parenting asap what are the chances that baby will be ok?

i bet if most women had to induce their own abortion that it's highly unlikely it will happen twice. who knows. i just don't like the thought of so many african amercan girls having their iresponsible habbits being catered to by doctors and lawyers for profit. it's a leery practice and this subject will live until the babies do. these babies will (by destiny) join this fight for life on the front lines. the world always needs more philanthropists.

great day

*rolls eyes*

ogx, one can argue with just changing some of the wording:

"who pays for the births when the young girl can't afford it? i guess these are comments from doctors (their employees or family) who want to solidify the career."

i brought up money because someone else did, as if it wasnt a tax paying factor of death already.

so if money will be spent regardless, we can affectively pay for this by mentors and tutors. many ladies would gladly take a minimum wage job doing this, which in the long run is probably less than the cost of aborting by a dr.

we can train young ladies whle in high-school to do this. girls with the best grades who apply for such training will be great help to the pregnant girl abandoned by everyone else who lives accross town.

all of this aborting going on in our inner cities is simply a clandestin plot of money flow and ethnic population control. if you search you will find much truth in this

ogx,

Compare the price to a woman getting an abortion and can't afford it to someone who had a child, can't afford it, and goes on all types of programs paid by us.

Ethnic population control? Do you wear a tin foil cap, too?

Last time I checked, abortion was an OPTION, just like choosing to have sex or not in the first place. No one is forcing you to have an abortion like no one is forcing you to have sex. We have laws against that. No one should force you to do anything against your will.

my point is that we shouldn't have laws encouraging either of these for poor youth. this is a trend that is out of proportion with african american girls.

there wouldn't be a need for a trend of programs if there weren't such rampant condom programs, contraception programs and abortion programs of the past. it will take folks who are disgusted with these numbers in the inner city to speak out against and talk with every young girl they know about this.

stem cell "research" can come from somewhere else. issues like this are what makes many minorities think most changes dont get made until non minorities are the issue. since minorities are hot on the market, of course "keep em coming".

my point is that we shouldn't have laws encouraging either of these for poor youth.

Encouragin what? I am having a hard time trying to understand what you are saying in your post.

there wouldn't be a need for a trend of programs if there weren't such rampant condom programs, contraception programs and abortion programs of the past.

Are you blaming the passing of condoms and contraception programs for the reason why teens have sex? If so, that's pathetic. Teens will have sex if they want to. I have had sex thrown into my face a lot of times. Guess what? 25 years old and a virgin. Never had any type of sex and I lived in poor neighborhoods.

issues like this are what makes many minorities think most changes dont get made until non minorities are the issue. since minorities are hot on the market, of course "keep em coming".

I don't think anyone gives a damn if a minority CHOOSES to get pregnant, adopt, give up for adoption, or have an abortion. It is the person's CHOICE. No one is forcing them to do one thing or the other. I don't care what the color of your skin is; you make your own decisions just like I make my own.

No one is forcing you to abort just like no one is forcing you to donate the aborted fetus/embryo to stem cell research. Just like no one can force you to be an organ donor.

why are you talking about forcing? im talking about enfluence. everyone isnt as strong as you, and there shouldnt be programs that encourage sex (safe or other wise) to minors. we all know that most children take advantage of what they can. we've watched enough maury shows to know that.

you might want to do more reserch if you think no one cares about the rate of minority reproduction. at 25 YOU probably dont give a darn

we've watched enough maury shows to know that.

Ah. That's where you're coming from.

oxg1, I'm sooo confused about so much of what you are talking about. Are you against abortion in principle or are you talking about black teenage girls having access to abortion or are you talking about teenagers using abortion as a form of birth control and having multiple abortions? Do you have any idea how few doctors do abortions anymore? Do you realize that without access to safe and legal birth control and abortions unwanted pregnancies and teenage pregnancies would still occur and would still be terminated, somewhere and somehow, but with far more dying women? I do agree that there are far too many teenagers having sex with little regard to the consequences. There are too many teenage pregnancies that result in too many unwanted children, many of whom become victims of child abuse, both physical and sexual. Not many things can derail a young life as quickly or as absolutely as becoming a teenage mother.

you might want to do more reserch if you think no one cares about the rate of minority reproduction. at 25 YOU probably dont give a darn

If you are so worried about it, start telling the minorities to get knocked up and breed more children than they can afford just so there will be more of them. Tell them that they no longer have a choice in the matter; the women are now cattle and they have no options. Because what you are leading to is something that will be on Maury.

I can't go to any person, regardless of race, and tell them that they should/shouldn't have a child. That is their choice. They should be glad to have a choice.

Where my brother lives, the teens are getting knocked up left and right. Would you be happy to know that most of the girls that are knocked up are minorities? They are increasing their own population. And guess what: no sex-ed is taught in my brother's school. They don't pass condoms out. There isn't a family planning center in the town. So much for teaching sex, let alone safe sex. I would rather kids know about safe sex than be stupid and have unprotected sex. If kids want to have sex, they will. Parents don't talk about sex and expect the school to teach it. Schools that teach it may come under fire by parents who think that it doesn't belong in the school.

we all know that most children take advantage of what they can.

Because every teenage pregnancy life follows Maury *sarcasm*.

as long as those young girls are trained with parenting and life skills to reflect on their children, this is xactly what is needed. what we need to survive (other than food and shelter) you can't put a price on. time is costly but when we give time with these young ladies helping them to cope with the obstacles, this lasts for an eternity. this is what was missing in our community, not a bunch of non sense about unwanted babies. its the vices that should be unwanted.

hopefully those young couples stick it out, and with grace they will. the way people interact with decency isn't something really taghtt in school, that i can remember. hopefully those young couples focus more on these spiritual principals than how much money it costs. budgeting is important but should not be the primary factor in providin for a life.

we've partied over-time. it's time for business and our business is raising our families to deal with wickedness that awaits.

Does anyone else's head hurt? =0/

yeah. the babies being vaccumed out

yeah. the babies being vaccumed out

Since early-term fetuses have no brain/nerve links and can't feel anything, no, their heads would not hurt.

Educate yourself.

yeah. the babies being vaccumed out

I'm thinking simply scrambling them and then queefing them out later would be easier.

I'm thinking simply scrambling them and then queefing them out later would be easier.

Oh, gordy....you just gave me a GREAT IDEA!! You know those things they have that scramble the egg in the shell??!! What if they made a long handled one for "at home" abortions!

What if they made a long handled one for "at home" abortions!

Patent it and you could make millions, :)

Of course it will have to come with detailed directions on "queefing"!! ROFL

Of course it will have to come with detailed directions on "queefing"!!

I think that's something that women should be able to figure out on their own. That's like giving men detailed instructions on how to 'spank the monkey,' lol

Forgive ogx1. They didn't take their pills today.

we've found out what force catapulted aids.

emotions huh? maybe our young black girls ought to learn this very very early in life (like before they can talk). those women who were forced to live with this responsibility in america wouldn't think twice about it now, if they haven't already done some selfish atrocious deed. they probably just wsth they had more security. guess what--we will provide that.

Which is a perfect example for having an abortion.

I wish my school had the doll thing. We had the flour bag baby. It was stupid. I said to everyone and to the teacher that this doesn't teach people how to care for a baby. All you had to do was bring it with you everywhere, not drop it, and keep an eye on it (we had 'kidnappers' in our school during this project that would take an unattended 'baby').

It doesn't cry. It doesn't need to be changed. It doesn't need to be fed. It doesn't need me. All in all, you are treating it like a regular item, not a baby.

I understand what your saying. It would be wise to get make it resemble a baby. Some schools use eggs. It takes your mind of topic. The objective changes the focus and you end up with a different topic. You forget all about a baby because all you can think about is protecting an egg. Everbody know that an egg can easily crack. Do you know how hard it is to not crack an egg? Sometimes they are cracked before you purchase them. My dughter was so happy to give that baby back. I made sure she knew if she was mistreating it, but I did not help at all with the responsibilities. I think that's another issue. Parents of teen mothers can't help but love the newborn and because of natural instinct. I think it becomes an issue when they overstep the mother by doing the motherly thing to do.

Adoption is an alternative, but I often wonder what are the long term affects of such a decision? I bet it is easier said then done. Itr's like seperating your own self or tearing yourself apart.

Yes, adoption absolutely does have long term affects on both the mother and the child. And it is much easier said than done, those who throw adoption out there as an alternative most likely have never given a child up for adoption.

http://www.exiledmothers.com/

Adoption is an alternative

Not a very good one. Do you think the state is going to pay for all the children given away by their parents out of the goodness of their hearts? Be realistic.

once again $ is at issue. doctors ought to be mandated to donate time for abortion and only in few cases, but never for profit.

money can be better spent for young ladies being aided with skills for parenting and slef sufficiency. some ladies would even volunteer their time.

as far as the doctors and nurses being paid for the birth. how many interns would love to donate time for tihis? the doctors and lawyers seem to look out for themselves.

these irresponsible ladies, not yet preg, should also be threatend with debt. to discourage them from throwing the financial responsibtility on others. nevertheless the brainiac $ mongerers can only come up with what the trend has given us.

these irresponsible ladies, not yet preg, should also be threatend with debt.

Well that's a ridiculous suggestion.

arent children threatened every day due to there delinquency? thats what juvenile hall is for. doest that cost money too? restitution included

Adoption is an alternative,

Adoption is an alternative if the woman in question doesn't mind staying pregnant.

Abortion isn't just about not wanting a baby. It's also about not wanting to be pregnant.

Depression after an abortion is not a myth. In my life, I have spoken with several girls and women who made the choice to abort and are working through the guilt and pain afterwards. This article is rediculous. I am for an individuals decision, but this article is crap.

Depression after an abortion is not a myth. In my life, I have spoken with several girls and women who made the choice to abort and are working through the guilt and pain afterwards.

"Several girls and women" certainly doesn't mean the majority. Women who have gone on to have children have regretted that decision, also.

I've spoken with several girls and women who made the choice to have the kids and are working through the guilt and pain of bringing a child into terrible circumstances and dealing with children they never wanted.

No one advocates women being forced not to have kids because some women have regretted it. I'm not sure why people want to use that argument re abortion. (And, I kow, GG, you didn't make that argument.)

Depression after an abortion is not a myth. In my life, I have spoken with several girls and women who made the choice to abort and are working through the guilt and pain afterwards.

Were these girls and women approached by any religious persons or people holding up signs displaying aborted fetuses prior to and or after having the abortions?

oxg1

why on earth do you think that doctors should be mandated to donate time to do abortions? Are there any other surgeries you think that doctors should be doing for free? What about plumbers?should they be required to unclog a drain or repair a leaky faucet for someone? Once again I am mighty confused by your statements.

Women who have gone on to have children have regretted that decision, also.

Boy ain't that the truth, should we outlaw pregnancy and childbirth because some women regret it or become depressed afterwards?

Are there any other surgeries you think that doctors should be doing for free? What about plumbers?should they be required to unclog a drain or repair a leaky faucet for someone?

That would be forced labor, no?

Depression after an abortion is not a myth. In my life, I have spoken with several girls and women who made the choice to abort and are working through the guilt and pain afterwards

there are a few things wrong here:

1) guilt and pain aren't depression. While uncomfortable, those things are normal and not mental disorders

2) nobody's saying people can't or don't become depressed after an abortion, just that it doesn't happen more frequently than after a birth.

2) In my life I've spoken to several girls who have become depressed who were never pregnant, several girls who have had babies who were depressed, and several girls who have had abortions who didn't become depressed. I've also eaten fresh home made strawberry ice cream and been to the new Dallas Cowboys football stadium. Depression exists, guilt and pain exist, a TV the size of six city busses exists. None of these things, however, are related, let alone cause one another.

This article is rediculous

I think you misunderstood the article and the research study.

Lets not forget about postpartum depression also. Which can be severe enough for a woman to commit murder. What should we do about that? outlaw pregnancy?

Lets not forget about postpartum depression also. Which can be severe enough for a woman to commit murder.

Or suicide.

ms#, if you can compare an abortion to a plumber unclogging a drain, i dont think we have anything else to say to each other about this. you may regard it as waste, bt maybe they shouold charge outragiously exorbitant fees for an abortion and maybe have the money spent on the "unwanted" births. it's clear where the conscience is. hope there's mercy.

good day

Cost of abortion = $300 to $900

Cost of raising a child = $125,000 to $250,000

I don't think the money spent on unwanted pregnancies is going to put a dent in what it cost to raise a child. And yes, for many it is about finances. I've always said if you want to reduce abortion rates the United States needs to implement a Universal or National Health Care system.

wow i just saw numbers the other day on cnn saying that the average african american house hold makes about 40k a yr (or less), and the average white about 150k or more. so watchout for how mcuh clothes, toys and food you give your baby.

some of these numbers are meant for politics. get a clue. if you tell my mom that she spent 125k raising me she might ask what kind of currency you're referring to.

so who would consider an abortion if it cost 100k? my point is to charge the hell out of people who are irresponsible in this way. not nationalize it. thats china

Sorry ogx1 but you are clueless beyond help.

well go and have all the abortions you want and lets see where it gets you.

good day

I'm a little past that dear. But thanks for the permission.

Good, ogx, then move to China. And while you are there, please adopt every single baby out there.

Why are minorites not getting paid a lot? What kind of jobs are they doing? What is each person doing as a whole?

Your problem is NOT the minority population but WHAT they are doing to improve their lives. And this can be applied to ANY race and gender.

Ever lived in a poor white neighborhood? They exist. Why are they poor? What jobs are they doing? What initiatives do they have?

I'm the first person on both sides of my family to go to college. Look at that; initiative and came from a poor background. My brother knows a spanish kid that everyone said was trouble; that he would drop out and be nothing because he dealt drugs. He did drop out, but got his ged, doesn't sell drugs or get in trouble with the law, got a job and is currently taking college classes in order to do something in the medical field. Had a bad past and really no help from his parents, but look at what he did on HIS OWN.

You can sit back and blame everyone but yourself for the situation that you are in OR you can get up and do something about it. And if you can't, you are a pathetic weak-willed individual and no one can change your attitude/help you unless you are WILLING to change and help yourself.

You show me someone who has crap against them and I will show you someone who is willing to go against those odds and to prove them wrong.

As for the average, sorry, my family is white and to combine the salaries of ALL my family relatives (except for my mother's sister whom we do not have contact), we wouldn't make it to 150k a year. Hell, I make most out of the family, but I still make less than 30k a year.

this is the kind of story more young african american girls need to hear. god is great. thax a bunch.

i dont want commuism. i want girls to not worry about $ but get skills and dont be selfish and worry about what they might miss out on by having a baby. most girls i know just want to have fun. theres something better than that. thanx again

ogx, they ARE hearing it. They just choose not to listen. I can't tell you how many times we had parents and schools tell us not to smoke growing up and showed us all the problems and images, etc. Guess what? More than half my class smoked(s). They don't care about the consequences or the warnings. They know what they are. . .but they choose to ignore it.

There was an incident at my brother's school where a kid brought in a stink bomb, set it off in the cafeteria and an ambulance had to be called because some kids got so sick that they passed out. This was NOT the first time the kid pulled a stunt like this. The principal found him and brought in his parents. The parents told him that if he did it again (this was said when he did it the first time), he would be grounded for months; the principal said that he would get detention for a month. And due to an ambulance being called in, he could be facing more charges. What was his response? That he knew the consequences. He knew he would get in trouble. He knew that he would get in trouble just for bringing in any type of prank object, stink bomb, etc. and even said the exact page and paragraph where it is mentioned in the school handbook. He knew the rules, he knew the consequences. . .but he chose not to follow it.

You can't change someone's mind if they are not willing to listen. If that was possible, there would be no crime or ignorance today. If they want to have fun, you can't change their mind unless they are willing to listen.

precisely. dilinqent behavior should be handled by executive body and legislature ought come up with a much more effective way to handle young delinquent girls having rampant pregnancies.

its their choice if they want violate their own body, but help aborting the baby should never be allowed civally unless its rape, health risk etc.

kids will flock to whats placed right in front of them--something easily accessable, and a quick fix. all the while killing the conscience, condoning the behavior and profiting at the same time.

and it gets deeper. who will point out these grown folks with degrees providing a quick fix for these adolecents for profit?

You want an effective way for girls to not get pregnant? Either violate their rights and sterilize them or violate their rights and keep them locked in a room away from the outside world.

its their choice if they want violate their own body, but help aborting the baby should never be allowed civally unless its rape, health risk etc.

I'd rather help them with choices than having them choose one or the other. If they want an abortion, fine. If they want to give up for adoption, fine. If they want to keep the baby, fine. It is their choice and I can't make it for them. What they feel about the decision in the end is theirs only. Not every woman who has an abortion becomes depressed, just like not every woman giving birth is going to feel joy. Everyone reacts differently and they live with their choices. I have met people who were adopted that turned out great even though they knew they were adopted; others wished that they were aborted/dead instead. Some people are set in their ways that they won't change their view and there is NOTHING you can do about it.

Also, we do not know how many of these people getting abortions were raped. People will lie to a doctor and make something up just to avoid telling them that they were raped. They don't want anyone to know about it so they won't talk about it. OR they might not even know they have been raped. A minor having sex with someone older may think they are in love, but they don't consider it rape. Husbands have raped their wives (and vice versa) and some don't realize it is rape (thinking that because they are married, one can't rape the other). We have no idea how many people out there are victims of rape; we can only go by the ones that speak out.

who will point out these grown folks with degrees providing a quick fix for these adolecents for profit?

Who will point out these teens who ignored warnings and the consequences for their actions? A doctor is an option for a pregnant teen, not a requirement. I don't blame any doctor that performs an abortion for what a patient has done if a patient ignored the warnings/consequence. An abortion is NOT an easy fix, just like a woman giving birth. Every situation is different and there can be complications involved.

oxg1

I, in no way compared an abortion to unclogging a drain. What I did was ask you why you thought that a doctor should perform abortions for free. Would you also think it was perfectly fine to have any other professional perform their jobs for free. Also, I have no idea where the hell you got your figures regarding the incomes of black and white households from but you are way off base.

Aside from that I am still having a ridiculously hard time trying to understand most of what you post.

its their choice if they want violate their own body, but help aborting the baby should never be allowed civally unless its rape, health risk etc.

No special requirements. Either women and girls have the right to choose or they don't. Make up your mind and cut the BS.

well go and have all the abortions you want and lets see where it gets you.

You ever think that abortion could be beneficial to the economy? As Lola said, children are expensive to care for. Imagine how much it costs to care for all the homeless children and the children in foster care and the children up for adoption.

Sad but true some females go out of their way to abort a baby themselves..they will try induce the pregnancy themselves even if the doctor refuse to do the surgery because the female have already reached a certain amount of weeks being pregnant and the baby has reached a certain point of development and it would prbably violate the law where abortion is concerned. So that pushes or naturaly place you in another position. I think that happens a lot because the female is so confused about what to do and can't make a reasonable decision.

Aside from that I am still having a ridiculously hard time trying to understand most of what you post.

So am I, frankly.

checkmate, any case of rape (statutory or matrimonial) is decided in dcourt. dilinquency ought not be tolerated by legalities. not allowing abortions is forcing them to deal with it.

ms#, i got the figures from cnn. and an abortion is in no way compared to any of the professional practices you mentioned.

ametuer, i have made up my mind. stop the abortions with few exceptions, and the economy is stimulated more by population growth, not decrease.

and you will have trouble understanding anything but your own reasoning. glad most poeple take my side on this one. even democrates agree that abortion should be the least of options to consider for these young girls. ask your president. on second tought, he may have changed his mind by now.

great day. hope you dont convince any young poeple to abort taday.

hope you dont convince any young poeple to abort taday.

Ugh, did you have to do that?

i have made up my mind. stop the abortions with few exceptions

You can't have acceptions. Either women are allowed to choose to have an abortion for whatever reason they feel or they're not allowed to do it period.

Restricting abortion to rape and terminal illness will only increase the numbers of unsafe abortions and injuries from unsafe abortions.

and the economy is stimulated more by population growth, not decrease.

The economy would be better off with a decreased population. The country isn't equpped to deal with a massive population, there isn't enough resources for everyone.

checkmate, any case of rape (statutory or matrimonial) is decided in dcourt. dilinquency ought not be tolerated by legalities. not allowing abortions is forcing them to deal with it.

So, a woman should remain pregnant while the rapist goes to court, which can take some time before he even meets the judge? Sounds like a woman should just deal with it, to me. By the time her rapist is found guilty, she could be giving birth.

The economy would be better off with a decreased population. The country isn't equpped to deal with a massive population, there isn't enough resources for everyone.

Indeed. Have you seen how many people are applying for one job? A few months ago, a store in RI opened up with only 200 job openings; over 5,000 people applied.
Beginning of the year, a school was letting go of around 80 teachers due to teacher union problems. One moronic teacher said that no one would take their jobs. Over 500 teachers applied.
A lot of people and very few jobs are NOT going to do crap for the economy. You are not going to spend money if you don't have a job or are not secure in the economy.

And if those people can't work then how do they feed themselves and their families? Charities don't always work and neither do certain programs.

rape cases can have manditory speedy trials for dna testing. thats what rape kits are for.

the economy is messed up due to bad politics and bank scams. the economy is coming back up

even wanted kids deal with these pressures. if the unwanted babies unite we can stick together. i was unwanted. cant u tell

ogx, rape cases are NOT that easy. Speedy trial, my ass!

A woman screams rape, but was she in fact raped or is she getting revenge against him. It's happened before (Duke case, anyone?). Saw how long that case lasted, didn't it? Rape kits are not always affective if the rape victim/accuser says they were raped some time later, bathed in that time, etc. That is how rapists can get off the hook. It's happened. It's been done before. They are found not guilty due to insufficient evidence.

Rape kits are not always affective if the rape victim/accuser says they were raped some time later, bathed in that time, etc.

And they're only effective if/when they're actually tested. Google "rape kit testing backlog" and you'll see what I mean.

Indeed.

Ok, I'm going to use a real life example that was in the news recently, but I am also going to mention something.

There was an article where a woman said that she was raped. She found out she was pregnant by her rapist. She had an abortion and had the remains tested of who the father was. The person she accused as the rapist was the father.

Now. . .if you just knew only what I stated, would you say that she was indeed raped OR was she getting revenge on a man and using the dna found in the abortion as evidence. Now, if the man admits to raping her it's one thing, but chances are, he won't. What if he had a fling with her and left without knowing she was pregnant (some men will take responsibility and may want to get involved; dome don't)? What if he did know she was pregnant and broke up with her (that would be a good reason why a woman would get revenge)?

Lots of questions are asked and you don't know who is telling the truth or not until more of the story comes out. I had a friend who had a friend that was accused of raping a teen. They were both teens and she accused him of raping her just a few hours after they had sex (there is dna evidence that there was sex and that he was involved). They had apparently broken up before the sex. He denies it and states that it was consensual. The newspaper portrays her crying.

If you knew only that, do you think it was rape?

Here's some more info that came out LATER. They broke up, but she called him back for one more time of fun. He obliged (this is what he said). Obviously, idiotic on his part. Meanwhile, the students at the school have no sympathy for her. Why wouldn't they have sympathy for a 'rape' victim? Are they being cruel OR do they know more about her? Like the fact that she gets around with a LOT of guys at the school, including a rival school, and had a history of being vindictive to exes and has done some serious messed up crap. She is known for lying, being vindictive, and also being an 'attentionwhore' in whatever way.

Now, the case just got more interesting. . .doesn't sound like a speedy trial anymore, does it? Unfortunatley, I don't know what the outcome was because my friend left the website that we were using to chat with each other.

you should still give her the benefit. if its determined that she unequivocally wasn't raped then maybe she should get the penalty that would've been given to the alleged perp, unless she's a minor. make it comensurate

i apologize. something needs to be done about this, and all the young won't "just stop getting pregnant" until they see more than a consequence of a few hundred dollars.

Except you still have to remain on neutral ground. You can't give her the benefit of the doubt without doing the same to the accused. This is how lives are ruined.

The Duke case proved that. In our society, once someone has accused you of rape, you are a 'rapist' for life. A few years ago, a student accused her teacher of raping her. He was found guilty and was in prison for a few years. Then, she changed her story and admitted to lying about it. He was released and cleared of all charges. . .

Except, people still see him as a rapist. People have said stuff to him even though the girl admitted to lying about being raped (there was no sex at all). For his enitre life, there will be people that will believe the justice system was wrong and that he deserves to be in prison and they will throw it in his face.

The same thing is/will happen to the Duke 'rapists.' I know at least one of them was kicked out of the college after being accused (that tells you whose side the school was on); he sued and there was a settlement. Can't help but wonder how many people will recognize their name and think 'rapist.' Wonder if an employer will turn them down at an interview because of they think they are indeed a 'rapist.'

It's no different than someone who is accused of murder and they are truly innocent. There will be people who look at them as a 'murderer' for the rest of their lives.

i'm saying give her the benefit of the abortion due to the claim of rape. not convict the accused. the case can be pending. if she is found to be unequivically dishonest, then give HER the felony plea bargain AND be subject to civil action.

if there's not enough evidence for conviction then there's just another abortion, but the rates will drop drasticly, true?

if these girls crying rape and vengeful aborters are faced with criminal charges i bet they'll think twice. as a mater of fact, make it retro and make them sqeal for plea bargains. zero tollerance needs to be applied in these cases more so than most felonies on file. who will be the first example? she'll have a sad story to tell on msnbc.

if these girls crying rape and vengeful aborters are faced with criminal charges

Great idea...for rapists. The reporting rate for rapes is already disturbingly low due to the also disturbingly low conviction rate. Threatening a rape victim with prosecution if she loses her case will only further decimate the number of actual rapes that are reported and therefore the number of rapists who get convicted.

if she's found to be lying, what should happen? nothing?

a not guilty verdict doesnt mean she was lying. i'm talking about the ones of absolutey no evidense other than testimony that are just maliciously made up. those are the women who have no fear of reprisal.

if the rate is low now then abortions will be as well. if the victim decides to have the baby and give it up for adoption, the father should be subject to child support restition while slaving in prison. zero tolerance

rape cases can have manditory speedy trials for dna testing. thats what rape kits are for.

Do you know how many rape kits are ignored and left untested?

ALABAMA
According to the Birmingham Police Department there are at least 2,100 rape kits in storage but the department does not know if they are tested or untested.

ALASKA
Officials at the Anchorage Police Department told CBS News they don't know how many kits, tested or untested they have in storage.

ARIZONA
According to the Phoenix Police Department there are 4,100 rape kits in the property and evidence storage facilities. The department tells CBS News it does not know how many of these kits are tested or untested. These are rape kits where law enforcement has not requested testing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/09/cbsnews_investigates/main5590842.shtml

the world is twisted because of what? it's time tell help untwist the youngsters with more nurturing and tough love

yea. maybe somebody a long time ago used poor judgement where forgiveness is conccerned.

We're not going to become extinct. The Duggar family, among others, are making sure of that.

yes i agree, and if this were to happen incase of abortion, the woman should have to forfeit her ovaries (seriously joshing)

:-] i never knew i had so many words on the issue.

Not that you should expect an intelligent [or un-misogynistic] answer from ogx1.

http://tombombadil.newsvine.com/_news/2009/07/10/3015440-wow-judge-ginsburg-thought-abortion-was-to-limit-populations-that-we-dont-want-to-have-too-many-of

this has just started. are you still there?

ogx1 -this has just started. are you still there?

This has just started? Are you kidding? That's a seed from July 2009. Not only that, the article is no longer available to view.

ogx1 - if you want to discuss whatever was on that seed, go over there and do it.

Bad form, linking a different NV seed in someone's article and driving traffic elsewhere.

the issue of uegenics has just became a serious issue on THIS thread. of course the seed is old. the dates right there. duh.

i apologize that you cant see the seed. i was able o find it rather simple and quickly myself. all you have to do is type eugenics in the newsvine bar and see what you get. type it in your own search engine bar if u want.

if you really want to know about eugenics, and dont already, it makes no sense to refute it. you people act like i'm the one who made it up.

and this thread is dead incase you havent noticed. if it comes back to life, it wont be with the status quo. good day.

The seed may be old but the issue still need to be discussed. I haven't seen in newsworthy progress of properity in my region concerning the issues associated to this matter...directly or indirectly. What about the father of the unborn child. What if he/she is an adult (18-21) and the other is still a teen (13-18) and there is an unborn child involved?

What about the father of the unborn child. What if he/she is an adult (18-21) and the other is still a teen (13-18) and there is an unborn child involved?

What about him? If he's an adult and she's 13, he's going to jail, anyway, in most states.

When they figure out how to let a man carry the child, then he can step in and offer to let her transplant. Until then, he gets exactly as much say as she allows him.

what chu mean what about him!!...what if it was your father!?...or brother or favorite uncle?! What about that?

If he had sex with a minor, he goes to jail. End of story. I could care less if it has been one of my family members; you had statatory raped a minor? Your ass is out of our family tree.

Hi Checkmate. Can I add you to my friendship list? I like the way you present your comments.

Yeah, sometimes I can be blunt about certain things.

Yea. I'm that way too sometimes:)

nice to be thoughtful insake of hind-site. sucks to have to look back on aborted missions due to lack of preparation or for simply a sheer change of heart

sucks to have to look back on aborted missions due to lack of preparation or for simply a sheer change of heart

FYI: Birth control can still fail even if it's used properly.

i guess one should xcercise their own form of bieth control. that's your choice, but it shouldn't something pracgticed for profit.

doesnt take a brainiac to imagine the market manipulation due to any product or service for profit. just a grim fact.

how many adolecents would purchase a legal suicide pill to make choice to simply end it all? that's just an exageration of the issue of course, but i hope you get the point.

how many adolecents would purchase a legal suicide pill to make choice to simply end it all? that's just an exageration of the issue of course, but i hope you get the point.

And the "point" is what, exactly?

omg..let me ask you, why shouldn't there be a suicide pill on the market for anyone over twelve?..or any age for that matter.

well that a similar answer pro lifers have towards abortion. great day

suicide pill? Well I guess that's the answer to the question...if abortion can cause depression. If they would take it that hard and go all hard and commit suicide. It's a problem and it need to be addressed.

omg..let me ask you, why shouldn't there be a suicide pill on the market for anyone over twelve?..

I rest my case.

what about the morning after pill? isn't that the pill that you take when you get raped. Isn't that the answer for female rape victims? Now what about male rape victims? Is there a pill out for them as well?

isn't that the pill that you take when you get raped.

Um, no. You take the pill for both if you have a BC malfunction or if you have been raped.

Now what about male rape victims?

Men can't get raped. *sarcasm*

Is there a pill out for them as well?

The condom is the man's pill.

someones gonna get preg on the vine

someones gonna get preg on the vine

Takes one to know one.

wont be getting anyone prgnant until i can afford the time and funds ;-]

This conversaton is getting so odd that I feel I'm looking at the verbal version of a Salvadore Dali painting.

wont be getting anyone prgnant until i can afford the time and funds

Don't anti-choicers consider prostitution to be a sin?

what logic? what woman on this thread wants to go prego for a guy without enough time and money?

however, i can find kind words everyday if that's enough. great day.

what woman on this thread wants to go prego for a guy without enough time and money?

ogx, I know quite a few people who did that.

Amazing, they can't afford a utility bill, but they can afford to be pregnant. Then again, the people I knew who did this were also on welfare (one of them did this to 'trap' her boyfriend, who is nothing more than a deadbeat).

what woman on this thread wants to go prego for a guy without enough time and money?

You don't get it, do you?

i get it loud and clear. ive got enough children for my schedule and budget. if i get rich i hope to have a wife that wants more.

i get it loud and clear.

Do you really? Remember, lying is bad. Course, you're an anti-choicer so one would expect you to not get it.