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The apparent recent surge in popular anti-Muslim sentiment in the United States has been driven by a surprisingly small and, for the most part, closely knit cadre of activists. Their influence extends far beyond their limited numbers, in part because of an amenable legion of right-wing media personalities — and lately, politicians like U.S. Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), who heldcontroversial hearings into the radicalization of American Muslims this March —who are eager to promote them as impartial experts or grassroots leaders. Yet a close look at their rhetoric reveals how doggedly this group works to provoke and guide populist anger over what is seen as the threat posed by the 0.6% of Americans who are Muslim — an agenda that goes beyond reasonable concern about terrorism into the realm of demonization.
10 of America's Most Dangerous Hatemongers
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1. BILL FRENCH
ORGANIZATION Heads the for-profit Center for the Study of Political Islam in Nashville.
CREDENTIALS Former Tennessee State University physics professor; author ofSharia Law for Non-Muslims (2010; under the pen name Bill Warner).
SUMMARY French has no formal training or background in law, Islam or Shariah law — which in any case is not an established legal code, as the book title implies, but a fluid concept subject to a wide range of interpretations and applications. He garnered attention recently by leading the opposition to a proposed mosque in Murfreesboro, Tenn.
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0.6% of the population is Muslim. To think that few people could be a threat, especially in such an adversarial society, is laughable.
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1.1 I used to think the same thing. And then the name Grover Norquist started being tossed around. I highly recommend any and all do research on this person. I think you will be shocked to learn about him. Not as impossible as I once thought for sure.
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Have you forgotten 911?
9/11 was carried out by 19 MALES who weren't even American; they were all foreigners and t they were all MALE. Why doesn't anyone ever point THAT out? This nation has roughly 150 million more; shouldn't we be more concerned with their violence than the .6% of Muslims? Or is that not politically correct enough for you, littleboyblue? Are you male? Imagine people shunning you b/c of something 19 other men did. It wouldn't seem very fair, would it? That's what you are suggesting, though.
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lil-boy..... The biggest threat to the US Constitution and the American way of life is currently the Roberts Activist/Corporation Friendly Supreme Court. Those five conservative judges have the ability to lay waste to this country in ways terrorists could only dream of.
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Bonos - Maybe you missed it but there have also been other attackes
First WTC attack
USS Cole
Ft Hood
Shoe Bomber
Christmas Day
We can make lists all day - But do you know the one thing that all these different cases have in common?
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After what happened in Norway this weekend, hatemongers could create serious mass hysteria showing the absolute need for Americans to be armed.
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We can make lists all day - But do you know the one thing that all these different cases have in common?
Yes, boston, they were all males. Are you male, too? Should we blame you?
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We can make lists all day - But do you know the one thing that all these different cases have in common?
Wrong Bonos - they were all slavishly devoted to a man worth $300 million. The rich are trying to kill you, not just males. If we had just gone after the wealthy instead of trying to revive a centuries dead religious crusade, we would have already shut down Al-Qaeda, as well as not having a trillion dollar hole in our nation's budget.
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I believe that's a ways off the mark, mad. I believe the only thing the rich want, is to preserve and enhance their wealth. This may cost the livelihood and economic status of the rabble, but it won't overtly kill them.
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I am curious Bonos, for nearly three years now I have observed you slam and ridicule those of the christian faith, claiming to be an atheist. However, you take the position to defend another faith who worships the same false god that you abhore? Can you give an explaination for your wallbanging?
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re comment 1.6.. They were all TERRORISTS.. we need to focus on that.. not their religon...
remember..
McVeigh... was an american soldier at one time... and was NOT a Muslim so focusing on the .06 of muslim Americans.. wouldn't have stopped it.. or any of the terror attacks listed on post 1.6 showing that putting the focus on Muslim Americans is a red herring
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Tjknuckles, I slam those who deserve it, including Muslim TERRORISTS. Christians deserve being called out when they act like fundamentalist Muslims, taking away rights from women, trying to impose religious rule on us, opposing gay rights, bombing people, killing abortion doctors, etc. Tell me, TJ, are you proud that the right's ideology is so often in line with radical Islam's ideology?
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as for McVeigh ? I've seen many try to say he wasn't a christian..
But Mcveigh ? was a christian. christian militia thinking. without a doubt !
The Tim McVeigh and the Christian Identity Connection
http://www.sullivan-county.com/identity/cal_shoot.htm
Evidence gathered by the Associated Press includes hotel receipts, a speeding ticket, prisoner interviews, informant reports and phone records that suggest McVeigh had contact with a white supremacist compound in Oklahoma known as Elohim City and that members there were familiar with his plan.
"It is suspected that members of Elohim City are involved either directly or indirectly through conspiracy," federal agents wrote in one memo just days after McVeigh detonated a truck bomb April 19, 1995, outside the Alfred P. Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City and killed more than 160 people.
The documents also include a teletype from FBI headquarters in August 1996 that reported McVeigh called Elohim City two weeks before his bombing, a call to a home where members of a violent Aryan Nation bank robbery gang were present.
McVeigh made the call April 5, 1995, moments after calling the Ryder truck company where he rented the truck that carried his deadly bomb. The government had known from an informant weeks before McVeigh's call that members of Elohim City were threatening an attack, the documents show.
The FBI teletype revealed that the gang members who were present when McVeigh called were familiar with explosives and had made a videotape three months before McVeigh struck vowing a war against the federal government and promising a "courthouse massacre."
The Murrah Building was directly across the street from the federal courthouse in Oklahoma City.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/mcveigh/mcveigh25.html
http://www.rickross.com/groups/mcveigh.html
- Army of God (AOG) (1982-present; United States; Christian radicals)
- Underground extremist anti-abortion group responsible for abortion clinic bombings and attacks on doctors who perform abortion.
- Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) (1994-present; Sudan and Uganda; Christian offshoot of Uganda Democratic Christian Army)
- Attempts to undermine the government of Uganda and replace with a theocratic government based on their form of Christianity. Particularly notorious for its abduction and use of childrren.
- Scott Roeder, age 51, from Witchita Kansas buys a gun, and for a week goes to target practice in preparation for murder
- May 31st, 2009 he drives across town to a church, also in Witchita
- There, Dr. George Tiller, one of the few doctors in the country who perform late term abortions, was serving his church as an usher
- George Tiller was an abortion rights champion who was no stranger to attacks from religious militants
- Clinic bombed in 1986
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- Shot in both arms by Shelly Shannon in 1993
- Often the target of violent protests organized by both regional and national religious activist organizations
- Roeder walks up to Tiller just inside the church building and assassinates the doctor, shooting him in the head
- Tiller dies immediately
- Roeder points the gun at two other ushers who tried to stop him after the shooting
- Later admits to police and reporters the murder was intended to prevent abortions
- Prosecutors and the judge have a tough job ahead to keep the trial focused on murder, and not a battle over the abortion issue
- To that end, Judge Warren Wilbur today ordered both defense and prosecution attorneys to refrain from using the word “abortion” in front of jurors
- Defense argues that Roeder be allowed to explain why he killed Tiller. Opening up the possibility of a child protection defense and the lesser charge of manslaughter
- Anti-abortion advocates flock to Kansas, bent on trying to make the trial into a referendum on abortion
http://thinkingapepodcast.com/2010/01/23/christian-terrorism-in-america-believe-it/
http://www.alternet.org/belief/146438/the_return_of_christian_terrorism
Christian Terrorist
Justin Carl Moose, 26, is a self-described “extremist, radical” and the “Christian counterpart of Osama bin Laden,” according to an affidavit filed by FBI agents. Agents arrested Moose, who lives in a northwest Concord neighborhood, on Tuesday.
His arrest followed an investigation that began after Planned Parenthood alerted the FBI to a Facebook page registered to Moose, which the group said was advocating extreme violence against abortion providers.
http://unreasonablefaith.com/2010/09/14/christian-terrorist/
Fighting the Culture Wars With Hate, Violence and Even Bullets: Meet the Most Extreme of the Radical Christians
Christian Terror Campaign in India
http://muslim-responses.com/Christian_Terrorism_in_India/Christian_Terrorism_in_India_
the list could go on. Even our own military can be included. Many in it adhere to crusade thinking and tanks for example have been written on stating ' the 10 commandments ' , bibles passed out , ect ...........
christians and missionaries through history as well have brought terror and decimated cultures they came across if those cultures didn't adhere to christianity. Look no further than the Americas for example.
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are you proud that the right's ideology is so often in line with radical Islam's ideology?
I am not proud of many things that the republican party has or continues to do, however I refuse to surround myself with entitlement supporting marxist that make up the left. So I find myself somewhere in the middle its safer there.
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BostonMan: You can add a whole bunch more terrorist acts (Oklahoma and the Giffords shootings, in the US for starters, and plenty more abroad including Oslo) and quickly get beyond your implication that Muslims are the problem. I think Bonos may have hit the nail on the head, when he identified men as the problem.
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9. ROBERT SPENCER ORGANIZATION Runs the Jihad Watch website, a project of the David Horowitz Freedom Center. Co-founder with Pamela Geller (see above) of Stop Islamization of America and the American Freedom Defense Initiative.
Hump Bunnies.... smile :-)
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CM Lawyer
You are right to include Oklahoma City and the Giffords shootings, but the guy who shot Giffords was a nutjob not affiliated with or motovated by any religious or social group.
McVeigh too, may have been a Christian, but to me his motives were more anti-government than political or religious.
There have been many acts of violence around the world done by Muslim extremists. It's in the news all the time. They start trouble in China, India, Israel, and Europe. They start trouble with Christians, Jews, Buddhists and Hindus, all in the name of their religion. And if no other convenient enemy is available, they will kill others of their faith but not their particular sect.
Finally, please note that bonos rama is a she, and is well known here at NV for her anti-Christian views. Apparently, from her posts on this seed, she is anti-male too.
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I figured we would eventually hear from Ripley the Christian hater. Of course he's got a nice long cut and paste to prove his point, as usual. This site is getting so boring. You are all so predictable.
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The real issue, and something that I am against, is not Christianity or any religion, but using Christianity or other religion to gain political points. What is wrong in the United States is the politicization of religion (pro or con), whichever religion that might be.
Canada had an election in May, and no one knew, cared, or asked the religion of the five party leaders or the candidates. No one voted for a particular party because of the religion of the leader or candidate.
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The ignorance and bigotry of the right is astounding.
In Europe in 2009 the last year this was compiled
they had 295 reported terrorist attacks.
Guess how many committed by muslims.
too hard?
guess the percent by muslims
less than 1%
20%
50%
75%
or 100%
Answer: [1 attack out of 295](http://www.geographictravels.com/2010/09/european-terrorism-breakdown-by.html)
Thanks for playing.
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#1:0.6% of the population is Muslim. To think that few people could be a threat, especially in such an adversarial society, is laughable.
These right-wing nuts know that the few Muslims of whom they speak are not a threat.
This is all nothing but hatemonger anti-Muslim propaganda meant to get us to hate all Muslims and to turn this into an "ANTI-MUSLIM" thing. They, the fake christians and other hate mongers are the real threat and are the ones who bear watching, i.e., that loony right wing terrorist that massacred over 90 people in Norway (?) last week, DRESSED as a policeman!
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9/11 was carried out by 19 MALES who weren't even American; they were all foreigners and t they were all MALE. Why doesn't anyone ever point THAT out? This nation has roughly 150 million more; shouldn't we be more concerned with their violence than the .6% of Muslims? Or is that not politically correct enough for you, littleboyblue? Are you male? Imagine people shunning you b/c of something 19 other men did. It wouldn't seem very fair, would it? That's what you are suggesting, though.
As any man ever accused of anything by a woman can tell you, we already are.
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#1.15:christians and missionaries through history as well have brought terror and decimated cultures they came across if those cultures didn't adhere to christianity. Look no further than the Americas for example.
Nicely written and TRUTHFUL commentary; thanks for taking the time to list all of the rotten and untoward things the "christians" are responsible for doing to the other people('s) that did not bow down and kowtow to their idol worshipping!
These racists and small minded egotistical idol worshippers have used the bible to their advantage when they needed to in order to justify all of the terror and bloodshed they have caused since the beginning of time, i.e., crusades.
Can you say "Timothy McVeigh" and the recent murderer from Norway?
Those that deny this are merely turning away from the truth and burying their heads in the sand-as usual!
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0.6% of the population is Muslim. To think that few people could be a threat, especially in such an adversarial society, is laughable.
I agree. Unless there are a million of any criminal group, we should stop worrying. That means we disband all counter terror units, all counter intelligence units, and all serial killer task forces this instant.
Comment collapsed by the communityJews must feel lucky they aren't target of Nazi thugs this time.
"If they want to do business with you, don't do business with them. If they want loan, don't give them loan. If they want to start a business, don't let them. Because they are against us!"
Is above quote from:
A. Nazi brown shirt enforcing boycott against Jews in 1930's Germany.
B. American objecting to mosque being built in Temecula, CA, 2010.
Answer is B.
Muslims, the new Jews.
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Muslims, the new Jews
This explains their detonation delivery techniques are predominately suicide, since muslims hate jews, and constantly rant about it.
Leave it to your standard liberal to suggest muslims are the new jews. Outstanding.
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First off, there had not been a Jewish terror attack that killed three thousand Germans. Second, no one is calling for an out and out genocide of Muslims. If we in the US wanted to, we could certainly do it, but we do not want to and have not done it. Comparing people being aware of Islamic terror to the Holocaust is inane and pathetic.
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The danger like a fast moving cancer is the ideology of hate. It is the exact same ideology of Hitler. There is no difference between the right wing, Hitler and Islamic terrorists. They all are fueled by the same fire: the fire of evil and pure hate. If an aggressive cancer is not stopped early, it kills. The same holds true here.
I remember as a child learning about Hitler and the atrocities he committed in the name of hate. I remember thinking how our country was strong and free, how our country would never allow something like this, how our country was the leader of freedom. I remember hearing about white supremacist groups who followed Hitler's beliefs. They were few and far apart. Because of freedom, we had to allow them the freedom to believe and advance an agenda that took away freedom including the freedom which allowed them to exist. I questioned the logic of this. Should a country of freedom allow groups who advocate fascism to practice within its borders?
I remember still thinking how great our country was and how even if it allowed these fringe groups of hate to exist freely, that our country would never embrace that ideology as the result of that ideology was the murder of millions and millions of people. The result of that ideology was hate and violence.
Now I sit here and the stark reality blaring out at me, is that this ideology of hate no longer is of small fringe groups. That ideology is mainstream in the form of the new brand of Republican- fascism. The cancer took hold and it spread. Now it is- what are we going to do to stop it? Can we?
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how our country would never allow something like this
Apparently you had not learned about the Native Americans yet.
I questioned the logic of this. Should a country of freedom allow groups who advocate fascism to practice within its borders?
Without question. Even the Nazis were in favor of the freedom to agree with them. If we are to be truly free, we must allow all to be free.
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Comment collapsed by the communityTell me, do you simply run your yap for the sake of yap running, or do you actually believe the incorrect garbage you spew?
certs just one example of you breaching the CoH on this seed. Cut it out please.
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I stand by my statement and provided a link to show the BS venom she was spewing was not only factually inaccurate, but totally madeup drivel. Feel free to moderate everyone on your seeds, not just those that point out the flaws with those you agree with.
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Muslims, the new Jews
This explains their detonation delivery techniques are predominately suicide, since muslims hate jews, and constantly rant about it.
Leave it to your standard liberal to suggest muslims are the new jews. Outstanding.
Are Muslims getting same kind of hatred Jews suffered from? Yes.
Should they have more sympathy for eachother? Yes.
They're in the same boat now.
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So I find myself somewhere in the middle its safer there.
I love right wing independents. This country is full of them. Their population exploded in 2008 after Bush tanked the economy, so they wouldn't have to take the criticism. Now they are in a position where they can criticize and be accountable for nothing. Perfect right wing tactic.
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Are Muslims getting same kind of hatred Jews suffered from? Yes.
You know the Nazis killed six million Jews, right?
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You know the Nazis killed six million Jews, right?
Actions are irrelevant...it's feelings that are important. And he feels that people not liking muslims is tantamount to the nazis not liking Jews. Welcome to how a liberals mind works LOL.
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Top 10 Haters in America!
ok I got my list of hatemongers(Def:Definition of HATEMONGER: one who enjoys or makes a practice of stirring up enmity : agitator)
Staring with seeders who use alternet, the daily Kos, media matters...because thet arent after the truth..just spreading the hate...you know like lefty in this seed..just trying to spread the hate
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I guess you can throw Fox News, the Heritage Foundation, Craig Steiner,rightwingnews.com, anncoulter.com, etc.
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You know the Nazis killed six million Jews, right?
Actions are irrelevant...it's feelings that are important. And he feels that people not liking muslims is tantamount to the nazis not liking Jews. Welcome to how a liberals mind works LOL.
Better to prevent 2nd Holocaust before it happens.
This is why we are vigilant against Neo-Nazis.
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Better to prevent 2nd Holocaust before it happens.
What do you call the actions of Joseph Stalin? A righteous crusade against the bourgeois?
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The GOP signed a pledge with Norquist:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/grover_norquists_jihad.html
How did CPAC come to this?
Grover Norquist's ties to Islamic supremacists and jihadists have been known for years. He and his Palestinian wife, Samah Alrayyes -- who was director of communications for his Islamic Free Market Institute until they married in 2005 -- are very active in "Muslim outreach." Just six weeks after 9/11, The New Republic ran an exposé explaining how Norquist arranged for George W. Bush to meet with fifteen Islamic supremacists at the White House on September 26, 2001 -- to show how Muslims rejected terrorism. Wrote TNR author Franklin Foer:
On the afternoon of September 26, George W. Bush gathered 15 prominent Muslim- and Arab-Americans at the White House. With cameras rolling, the president proclaimed that "the teachings of Islam are teachings of peace and good." It was a critically important moment, a statement to the world that America's Muslim leaders unambiguously reject the terror committed in Islam's name.
Which is surpising since he has ties to this and The GOP SIGNED A PLEDGE?????
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I figured we would eventually hear from Ripley the Christian hater. Of course he's got a nice long cut and paste to prove his point, as usual. This site is getting so boring. You are all so predictable.
yes ... Deb has a problem with facts as usual.
christian hater ? no. Ignorance hater ? yes yours of which is very predictable.... and fyi ? all religions are myths.
and why do I get the feeling you may be the fact hating seeder Driftwood ? God she was ignorant.
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What do you call the actions of Joseph Stalin?
Couldn't have been that bad - he made the Koch brothers' father a billionaire.
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And another Koch ran one of his concentration camps.
My original statement was not that a small number of people couldn't cause any trouble, such as 9/11 or Oklahoma City. It was that a small number of people who are consistently demonized by people as hateful and xenophobic as the Sharia-hating, Sharia-imitating, self-described "Christian" right wing would have a very tough time taking over a country this size.
P.S. - Timothy McVeigh was Christian - Roman Catholic specifically - underwent apostasy for some while (so he said) and took a Catholic sacrament before his execution. This comes from reading the link provided above, §10.
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Feel free to educate yourself with that link. Tell me, do you simply run your yap for the sake of yap running, or do you actually believe the incorrect garbage you spew?
certs2345, you can express your opinion without personal attacks. Ignore Soph from now on please.
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Ignore Soph from now on please.
In case anybody's wondering, an "ignore" order from Staff means "don't comment in their column again, and don't mention or address them. Click ignore."
The penalty is usually banning, but I have seen a couple of people recently get off with just a month suspension.
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Comment collapsed by the communitythe actual nazi is you.
Don't call other users Nazis, certs2345. Really basic. You're suspended for a week for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
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You know the old saying don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Don't throw the whole bushel of apples away because of one bad apple.
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#6 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:04 AM EDTIll tell ya what ticks me off the most. I am what they call middle of the road. I dont get tax breaks (in fact Im self employed so I pay all my own ss, etc). I am not elligable for any kind of assistance anywhere, nor am I elligable for those tax breaks and loopholes the elite are privy too.
I have watched those on welfare, while on welfare mind you get irs tax refunds in huge amounts when they didnt pay in anything close to what they get in refunds. We are talking someone with a few kids, single parent and getting food stamps and medical card for the kids, get 10 thou in a tax refund and they get to keep it all the while on assistance! Yes I understand why pubs are ticked at that, but what they do not under stand is that dems are ticked at that as well!
Then you got the rich getting all the tax breaks and loopholes that they system knows about but wont change for whatever reason. Its not like they dont know about them is it? They take their saving and invest overseas, take our jobs overseas to cheap labor and import it back for us to buy it. I can understand why the dems are upset about this and I think republicans are as well. So what in hell are we all divided over again?
Us middle class people are fed up to the chin with both situations! And it is going to stop. Might one of any kind of intelligence deduce from all this that the freakin tax code needs updated to prevent all this? Could it simply be the answer everyone is looking for? Of course agreeing on anything is not going to get them the white house is it.
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I have watched those on welfare, while on welfare mind you get irs tax refunds in huge amounts when they didnt pay in anything close to what they get in refunds. We are talking someone with a few kids, single parent and getting food stamps and medical card for the kids, get 10 thou in a tax refund and they get to keep it all the while on assistance! Yes I understand why pubs are ticked at that, but what they do not under stand is that dems are ticked at that as well!
Have you ever stopped to realize that the quality of life of that family who takes that $10,000 handout is still worse than anything you could ever imagine?
If you had that $10,000, you would probably put it towards upgrading your Civic to a BMW. Their $10,000 gives them just enough to feed themselves and pay for the roof over their head in the slum that they live in.
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Have you ever stopped to realize that the quality of life of that family who takes that $10,000 handout is still worse than anything you could ever imagine?
Try telling that to actual starving people in countries that don't have a video game system and name brand sneakers. I've been to the slums that you've only read about. I'm not asking if they have these things, I'm telling you in no uncertain terms they do. So I call shenanigans on your BS claim.
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Why is it Linda's responsiblity to improve the quality of life for anyone else? What ever happened to improving the quality of your life YOURSELF? BTW, it's not a "refund" if you never paid anything in the first place. It's a giveaway of someone else's money.
It doesn't matter what Linda would probably spend HER money on, it's HER money. Just because MAYBE a family MIGHT have a slightly better life with HER money, doesn't mean the governemnt has the right to TAKE it from her. Isn't that nice that you set yourself up in judgement of what other people buy with the money THEY EARN.
Although there are many in poverty that are trying to improve on their own, those that aren't trying, won't try just because you give them another $10K. In fact they will try less. Many of them don't really care how they live, as long as someone else is paying for it.
The GREEDY ones are the lazy ones not willing to improve their lot in life, not the people who have worked hard and DESERVE every penny they make and SHOULD spend it on whatever they like, without judgement from self-appointed, self-righteous, elite liberal a$$ hats.
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Try telling that to actual starving people in countries that don't have a video game system and name brand sneakers. I've been to the slums that you've only read about. I'm not asking if they have these things, I'm telling you in no uncertain terms they do.
It's so sad that we've become so shallow and materialistic that we equate owning name brand sneakers and video games with a high standard of living.
Who are the greedy ones? These people have no future and are basically one unlucky event from having to sleep on a street corner. And yet you covet the scraps that we send them to keep them alive. Why don't you get off your lazy ass, and for one night go and volunteer at a food kitchen. Look into their eyes and tell me how excited those destitute people are to be in the position that they're in, and how "unwilling" they are to improve their lives.
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Why don't you get off your lazy ass, and for one night go and volunteer at a food kitchen.
I'm too busy volunteering in my own kitchen, as I don't believe it the responsibility of others to raise or provide for my children.
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Actually the person I am referring to had three kids, living with a guy that also had three kids but his ex had custody so he paid out child support for his three, (yes he worked)she got child support for her three and both households were on assistance. Both households got huge irs checks and the one woman worked under the table for a bar and only claimed so manyof her tips. They got the money went on a spending spree, took a cruise. Me. Im self employed and I couldnt afford to go on vacation and had to pay taxes.
Now dont get me wrong! I dont agree with republicans wanting to slash everything and throw the baby out with the bathwater, but I also do not agree with those who do not see a problem with the abuse and fraud in the system and obvious issues with the tax code.
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Then sell your computer and donate the money to something, we would all appreciate it,
and would be helping your fellow man
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Now see I disagree with that too. As much as someone should not get thousands of dollars that they did not pay in, nor should someone be expected to unload everything they have because they hit a rough patch either. Someone could have been doing fine and then bam, lost the job, the old man croaked or found another woman, all kinds of things can happen so my point was not to beat up on those who need help just simply use it as an example of what needs changed. I am one paycheck away from living under a bridge and am proud that we have services to help those in need. I just want to get thos living off it because its an easy way out instead of a helping hand temporarily till someone gets on their feet.
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Linda I was addressing certs not you, sorry if my comment was confused with what you were righting
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Someone's attitude is wrong and heartbreaking. Someone seem to have all the answers, but yet have none. Someone's angry at those less fortunate than them for something they perceive. Sounds like a twisted form of Jealousy. Someone does alot of judging themselves. Isn't that God's job?
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Thanks StevG, no offense taken, I just like to yap. Sorry.
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ALEC
Norquist
Palin
Bachman
Trump
Beck
Newt
Rush
Hannity
O'Reily
Fox
Tea Party
Tea Party Candidates
Cantor
Boehner
King
GOP
List goes on and on
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Ill tell ya what ticks me off the most. I am what they call middle of the road. I dont get tax breaks (in fact Im self employed so I pay all my own ss, etc). I am not elligable for any kind of assistance anywhere, nor am I elligable for those tax breaks and loopholes the elite are privy too.
I have watched those on welfare, while on welfare mind you get irs tax refunds in huge amounts when they didnt pay in anything close to what they get in refunds. We are talking someone with a few kids, single parent and getting food stamps and medical card for the kids, get 10 thou in a tax refund and they get to keep it all the while on assistance! Yes I understand why pubs are ticked at that, but what they do not under stand is that dems are ticked at that as well!
people on welfare get tax refunds ?? really ??
so what is your position on corporate welfare which costs us a minimum of 3 times the amount social welfare does and yet unlike social welfare does not make it back into the economy ?
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Oh dont even get me started on that either. Crooks! I find myself so irritatedthese days. The corruption allowed to go unchallenged in this country in unbelieveable. And yes they do. You were not aware of this? Nor was I until a couple of years ago. I have run into several people who have, yet did not pay in a third of it in taxes. There is waste in the system and anyone denying that is part of the problem. Every single program has loopholes where people can abuse the system, even the system abuses the system which is my point. We need another way of collecting revenue and before people go slashing everything we have they need to create jobs first imo. Another thing that irritates me is that at my age I get what is going on, ask the typical 25-30 year old tho, not a clue.
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My daughter, who is in college, made about $200 last year from a part time job. Mostly I pay her way along with a full ride sports & Academic scholarship she earned in HS. I do her taxes since I'm a professional accountant. She got a few hundred back in "earned income credit" even though she did not pay a dime in federal taxes. Did I think it's right? Not really, but hey, my daughter needs to money so that I can give her less in living expenses, so why not? If the rule wasn't there, I wouldn't be taking advantage of it. We are not well off and it helps get her through the school year.
Linda is right, many who barely earn anything all year can file a tax return and get money "back" that they never paid in.
P.S. I agree, I support a lower overall tax rate for Corporations, but do away with ALL the loopholes. Little special incentives and tax loopholes are not fair to everyone.
Well, judging from the accompanying article, I would suppose it's really only a matter of time before we have another Timothy McVeigh, or even an Anders Behring Breivik to call our very own . . .
As we have all seen from the nightmare on July 22 in Oslo and on Utøya Island, one carefully nurtured and cultivated seed of hatred within one individual is all that is required.
I was particularly struck by the following quote from Robert Spencer in the article:
"Osama [bin Laden]'s use of these and other [Koranic] passages in his messages is consistent … with traditional understanding of the Quran. When modern-day Jews and Christians read their Bibles, they simply don't interpret the passages cited as exhorting them to violent actions against unbelievers. This is due to the influence of centuries of interpretative traditions that have moved them away from literalism regarding these passages. But in Islam, there is no comparable interpretative tradition."
Apparently, Spencer himself is not among the "modern-day Jews and Christians" [who] "simply don't interpret the passages cited as exhorting them to violent actions against unbelievers" — and like Breivik and virtually every other extremist openly or covertly advocating mass expulsion or mass murder as a sociopolitical solution, and whose ideas flow from a vast wellspring of hatred and rage, he is a pathological liar. Notice how often these particular personality types construct and modify elaborately fictionalized autobiographies, including academic credentials, that quite effectively serve to fulfill the needs of their political agendas and their ideological points of view. Notice how often they have a grotesquely inflated and distorted self-image of victim, persecutor and savior. Those who are the objects of their hatred — invariably reduced to the level of just that [mere objects] — must suffer, and suffer most horribly, for their transgressions; however, the extremists themselves are always above the law and always beyond reproach.
To varying degrees, I see flashes of these very disturbing tendencies in our current crop of prominent political figures and presidential candidates as well.
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#8 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:43 AM EDT#8:To varying degrees, I see flashes of these very disturbing tendencies in our current crop of prominent political figures and presidential candidates as well.
Nicely written! Thanks for your commentary. It is very thoughtful and very much appreciated.
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Thanks, MaryEllen:
I just saw Jihad Watch Director Robert Spencer in an interview related to a story concerning '2083: A European Declaration of Independence,' the political manifesto of Anders Behring Breivik. Breivik mentions Spencer's anti-Islamist rantings over and over again in the manifesto, quoting him admiringly and at great length. In terms of this particular tragedy, Robert Spencer has indeed been directly instrumental in opening Pandora's Box and unleashing the demons that drove Breivik to commit his heinous crimes.
In the interview, of course, Spencer is seen tap dancing as fast as he can to try to distance himself from Breivik and the bloodbath in Norway. What unbalanced public figures like Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Bryan Fischer, Terry Jones, John Hagee, Pat Robertson and countless other anti-Islamists and fundamentalist Christian extremists will never do is acknowledge their complicity in the actions of other disturbed individuals — psychotics and sociopaths who have responded or will respond to their clarion call for hatred, bigotry and condemnation by taking matters into their own hands and dealing in death.
They are fully aware of the Power of the Word — in fact, they revel in the power of both the written and the spoken message they transmit, and most of them have become quite wealthy and extremely influential in the process — but they will never, ever accept responsibility for their stupidity, their hypocrisy, or their recklessness.
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This entire nation has been taken hostage by 911 and countless numbers of SELF-PROCLAIMED patriotic americans have benefited financially .... while thousands of young men and women have died needlessly .... just like casey anthony will be paid millions for presumably being responsible for her daughters death in some way form or manner ... those who profit from war have benefited .. when and in office procedure would have sufficed rather than 12 years of surgery using hacksaws and mallets
The TYRANNY OF THE MINORITY ...... a relatively small obscure group of financially motivated terrorists causing america to over-react ..... OUR current President had he been President then would have taken a scalpel, operated and the patient would have been released ten years ago .... instead americans are all huddled up in the waiting room still waiting for the outcome ... and still waiting to heal ...
Thankfully this President did in 2.5 years what hadn't been done in the last 12.5 years ... and cut off the head of the snake. More remains ....
Yet the GOP continues to attack like the mindless gold counters that they are .... they wish to take away the best thing that america has had ever .... Barack Obama ... !! 2013 -2016
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#9 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:31 AM EDTcurrently the Terrorists in DC are demanding Obama submit to their requests or they will crash wall street...
hopefully he stands strong.. He is quite brave to negotiate with these horrible terrorists.... but they have America by the balls. the Dow Jones is showing the squeeze now....
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Comment collapsed by the community#9:Yet the GOP continues to attack like the mindless gold counters that they are .... they wish to take away the best thing that america has had ever .... Barack Obama ... !! 2013 -2016
I love your thoughtful processing of the mind! You only speak the truth; "I spun in your glory"!
May you continue to be blessed!
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Coral Atlas
Thankfully this President did in 2.5 years what hadn't been done in the last 12.5 years ... and cut off the head of the snake.
What actually is it that he's done?
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. the Dow Jones is showing the squeeze now....
Really? Please tell us more :=)
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thanks for confirming... a look at each time the GOP threatened to not raise the debt..
friday with the deal expected stocks were way up... monday after Boner walked out.. way down.. and down again today... and will go down each day that boner squeezes out balls.. until a deal is made.... .. boners got to protect his richey buddies.. screw americans... so in the same breath that he wants to cut my future retirement... he also @!$%#s with my IRAs yeah.. my balls are being squeezed by a big boner...
so yes REALLY!!
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Hatred spawns hatred. The problem going into 2001 wasn't a Muslim problem in the United States, it was a fanatic problem in the middle east. Once we reacted by essentially declaring war on the Muslim people, there has been a radicalization of Muslim youth in the United States and western Europe. With that radicalization has come the fringe hate groups in the United States led by professional bigots such as those described in this article.
Hatred spews hatred. These groups are going to grow. If that happens, radicalization of young Muslims will increase. There will be an arms race of hatred. There has to be some sense of sanity brought back to this situation. Our American hate groups have to be totally marginalized. Our nation's foreign policy must get us out of the middle east. Otherwise this is going to get worse.
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#10 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:45 AM EDTWhat was their excuse BEFORE 9/11? What was their excuse for bombing the Cole? What was their excuse for the first WTC attack? What has been their excuse for 1,400 years? Unbelievable. You're all so afraid to recognize a real enemy, so just bury your heads in the sand. And you'll be the first ones to scream, "protect me!" after they dirty bomb a large city and kill millions. It only take ONE to set off a bomb.
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Debbie please.
The Muslims as a culture have many reasons to dislike the west.
What is this" protect me " idea the right wing thinks everybody wants ?
That protection scheme used by syndicates is just what GW and the gang played on America. They were the ones we needed protection from....
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You can identify the intellectual emptiness of an argument that repeatedly uses the word "they" to condemn an entire group of people. 2 billion plus Muslims in the world repeatedly condemned by bigots for the acts of several thousand.
Terror -great fear.
terrorism - the policy of using acts to inspire terror as a method of ruling or conducting political opposition
Terrorist - one who favors the use of terror
Terrorize - to Dominate by using terror.
Mr. King and friends all seem to fit the above definitions.
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#12 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:32 PM EDTAll through out history there have been hate-mongers who try to stir up trouble. However, with today's communication technology it makes it easier for them to broadcast their hate messages to the world. Also, with firearms and explosives available on the black market it just makes it all the worse. It is not good to live in fear. But we should be alert and aware of our surroundings. The people of Norway were not accustomed to this level of violence. So they were caught unaware. Just like we were with the airplanes and 9-11. My prayers are with the people of Norway for their loss.
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#14 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:03 PM EDTcerts2345 deleted and reported. Deb-658853 deleted and reported. personal attacks of no value. Fufu thanks for having my back and sorry you got caught up in the delete
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Once again soph is abusing her moderation ability by deleting anyone questioning her. How is that a personal attack again please soph?
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tell you what - take it up with admin. I will not engage with you and your constant breaches of the CoH. You have been reported. If admin feel I am in the wrong no doubt you will be restored, in the meantime I suggest you find another column to hang out on. You can;t seem to debate without on-going breaches of the CoH and quite frankly it is very boring. All comments that include personal attacks will be deleted. Period
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Comment collapsed by the communityGo ahead. Moderate.
I am happy with my moderation. If you are not please feel free to complain to tyler and sally. In the meantime my moderation is not the topic of this seed. Reported no value.
Deleted again. Off topic, no value and continued personal attack
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When you delete those that disagree with you or your friends and use moderation as a tool to silence those that oppose your/their viewpoint, it sure as hell is on topic.
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I have asked you to leave my column. That you cannot accept that you have breached the CoH consistently is not surprising. I will not engage with you. You are not on topic. Now go away
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You can say anything you want if you follow the code and stay on topic, what part of that don't you understand? You are creating your own problems
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Stay tuned for my 1,743 page doctoral thesis entitled: "The Internet Troll - Psychoanalysis and Investigations into Behavioral Patterns of the Socially Inept".
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Comment collapsed by the communityor the people on the seed find it tiresome, and get tired and leave the seed, which is why these rules are in place
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There are also rules for not abusing moderation priveledges.
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Make your report to the moderators and move along, certs2345. Making a dozen posts complaining in the thread is just unbecoming.
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Didn't see any names I hardly recognize. Biggest threat to America are religious nuts of all kinds, especially the ones on the supreme court and in the republican party. Fake christians are the number one threat to freedom, liberty and justice for all. Like the Robertson and Falwell cults and others.
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#16 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:31 PM EDTWell, if Muslims make up only .6% of the population, then there's very few of them to be offended.
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#23 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:11 PM EDTWikipedia states that Muslims comprise approximately 23% of the 2009 world population. I do not know where .6% came from.
OK. That sounds about right.
Sounds right. Based on what, I wonder?
But it isn't right.
The exact numbers of Muslims in the U.S. is not known. different groups or individuals give different numbers (often based on their own political agenda-- one way or the other). However the high estimate is that Muslims make up about 2.2% of the U.S. population. The low estimate is much smaller.
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but you mustn't forget . bigots wont be happy until it is 0% muslims. debating over .6% or 2.2% either way, it is the same issue/point.. .. gays make up only 3% and look at the hate and fuss with that issue...
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Whether it is .6%, 1% or 2.2%. It is a mute point. One of the reasons that make our country so great is our diversity. It is part of the first amendment. Actually, the Jewish, Christian and Islamic religions have the same roots. The Jewish religion was the grandfather of the Christian and Islamic religions. Ishmael and Isaac were half brothers. They were both sons of Abraham. We all worship the same God. Whether we call Him God, Allah, or Yahweh. So if anything we should all be allies not enemies. We just need to stop all of this hate and violence. It is pointless and destructive. The conflict between the Jews, Muslims and Christians has been going on for over a thousand years. It needs to stop. Those who do not learn from history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them.
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It is like in the story of "Gulliver's Travels". The little people were fighting over whether to break the egg on the big end or the little end. I break the egg in the middle. It cracks easier there.
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Terrorist - A person who uses fear to advance a political agenda.
Seems to me that a lot of the people on this list fit that definition.
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#24 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:42 PM EDTIt is "driven" by murderous Islamic fundamentalists; put the blame where it belongs.
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#26 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:53 PM EDTAt least I didn't make the list. Let some people on the 'Vine tell it, i'm worse than 1/2 the people on this list. Lmao.....
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