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Cantor Opposed Short-Term Debt Ceiling Increase, Now Calls Obama's Opposition to Short-Term Increase 'Indefensible'

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Today, Speaker John Boehner told the House GOP caucus that he is preparing a short-term bill that would raise the debt ceiling for about six months, despite Obama’s pledge to veto such a measure. On the call, Majority Leader Eric Cantor blasted Obama for opposing it. The Wall Street Journal reports:

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor indicated in his remarks during the conference call that Republicans don’t want to give President Barack Obama a debt-ceiling deal that lasts past the 2012 elections. Mr. Cantor called the president’s insistence on a deal that carries through the election purely political and indefensible.

 

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But late last month, Cantor himself vehimently opposed a short term deal:

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor pushed back hard Tuesday against Senate Republican suggestions of a scaled-back, short-term debt deal, saying it’s “crunch time” in White House budget talks and “if we can’t make the tough decisions now, why … would [we] be making those tough decisions later.”

“I don’t see how multiple votes on a debt ceiling increase can help get us to where we want to go,” the Virginia Republican told reporters. “It is my preference that we do this thing one time. … Putting off tough decisions is not what people want in this town.”

  • 19 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:12 AM EDT
petridishofideas

:shakes head: the gop's typical flip flopping! Or is it LIES instead.....hmmmmm.

  • 18 votes
#1.1 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:33 AM EDT
Rich-365548

Cantor doesn't actually believe anything he says. He's just following his orders from the Koch brothers to oppose Obama on everything, even when Obama agrees with him.

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:09 PM EDT
snb1930

Just another fine example of the GOP's tendency to "shoot itself in the foot", "cut off its nose to spite its face". "A house divided against itself cannot stand". Consider, they're the GOP and the Tea Party, but all claiming to be Republicans, and with different aims. Ryan, Cantor, Bhoener, McConnell will all vote against anything that comes from Mr. Obama's lips, even if it were their own proposals originally. This utterly stupid and childish agenda to "undo" Barack Obama is not what they were elected to do. They keep claiming "the American people" elected them to do what their doing. That's a sick notion. In the first place, when they say "the American people", they only include the people who voted for or supports them and their sick agenda and to hell with the rest of us. Mr. Obama, like him or not, is trying to include everybody: the credit fraud bill is not just for democrats, nor is the domestic abuse law, the education policies, health care, increase in aid to military families, and many other benefits for Americans, none of that was for one party. Every republican voter should write to their reps and tell them to stop screwing around with their lives. To cooperate for the good of ALL does not make them less republican or conservative. Instead it makes them more caring about the true need of all Americans.

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:27 PM EDT
CaptainObviousSays

:shakes head: the gop's typical flip flopping! Or is it LIES instead.....hmmmmm.

seems Obama as a senator was against raising the debt ceiling but now as president wants to raise it....

:shakes head: Obamas typical flip flopping! Or is it LIES instead.....hmmmmm.


yeah,,, that was way to easy....

cheers

:)

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:19 PM EDT
dcstone01

Well, Captain following that line of reasoning...with all the debt ceiling increases of the past, just who in the GOP said no consistantly?...They as a group have agreed to the increase...

So I can say, if they all said yes before, why the no's now? I call that flip flopping on a much more grander scale don't you?

Obama said No the debt ceiling increase, sure. But as a whole his No, wasn't tied with the whole rest of the party saying NO in unison, and they didn't stop an increase like the GOP are doing this time...So I'd say it's a big difference...

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:10 PM EDT
CaptainObviousSays

typical liberal... missed the point entirely.....

the point being it is ok for Obama to flip flop like a fish....

but the gop does not have the same advantage

as for being different.. yes it is...

Obama controls "executive branch" of the govt with 1/2 the senate in his parties control.

if we are to worry about any fish flip flopping around it would be the president

sorry... I know.... your an ObamaBot, he never does wrong and it is always the gop's fault or bush's fault.... yes Obama is perfect in every way......

cheers

:)

    #1.6 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:02 PM EDT
    stormshadow

    Captain that was just SOOOOO funny..

    The POINT was already made. NOT that it's not ok for Obama to flip flop, but that when he did he knew full well that his was NOT going to be the deciding vote on whether the ceiling would in fact be raised. Get it now?

    • 3 votes
    #1.7 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:10 PM EDT
    CaptainObviousSays

    Get it now?

    sure.... it is ok for the president to change his mind anytime he likes..... and when it personally suits him.

    the "real" point is they are all full of @!$%# - both sides.

    he knew full well that his was NOT going to be the deciding vote on whether the ceiling would in fact be raised.

    your saying Obamas hypocrisy only goes so far???? and that makes it OK?

    yeah... ummmmmm

    once full of @!$%# always full of @!$%#. how can anyone trust a mug that is full of @!$%# only when "he" feels it is ok to be full of @!$%#.?

    • 1 vote
    #1.8 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:21 PM EDT
    YELLOW DOG D.

    What the Hell you trying to say? I am grown and took the profanity filter off.

    • 4 votes
    #1.9 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:42 PM EDT
    dcstone01

    IDK, Yellow, sometimes people resort to profanity when they are losing a debate...makes them feel 'special'...

    • 4 votes
    #1.10 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:04 PM EDT
    petridishofideas

    BUT dc.....I tend to call a @!$%#ing moron and @!$%#ing moron. Gotten old enough and pissed enough to call them as I see them but COH prevents me from calling the gop @!$%#ing morons though I would dearly LOVE to call them that and more!

    • 4 votes
    #1.11 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:27 AM EDT
    dcstone01

    Oh, I understand the sentiment, I really do (I too get mad/upset/angry at the stupidity, self-imposed and willful ignorance)...

    But, getting yourself into trouble doesn't help the situation, all that does is curtail your ability to access the platform to share your views......It's best to just take the high road...

    • 4 votes
    #1.12 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:44 AM EDT
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    Vlad's dog

    Eric is a political convience opportunist, just say what plays for the day Cant'or.

    • 18 votes
    Reply#2 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:37 AM EDT
    4RealLyn

    Cantor, Mconnell, Boehner and several republicans first touted no short term deal. Now the are for it? Playing games like these will backfire. What's up with these guys are they schizoid?

    • 8 votes
    #2.1 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:07 PM EDT
    YELLOW DOG D.

    Not a bad description, 4 Real

    • 6 votes
    #2.2 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:14 PM EDT
    stormshadow

    Rampant HYPOCRISY thy name is Cantor!

    • 5 votes
    #2.3 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:20 PM EDT
    Reply
    mstanley2265

    The financial markets don't want to hear about any more 'short term' deals either.

    • 12 votes
    Reply#3 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:50 AM EDT
    StevG-144

    ,” the Virginia Republican told reporters. “It is my preference that we do this thing one time. … Putting off tough decisions is not what people want in this town.”

    And we would be right, the republicans want to make this a election issue even though they raised the debt ceiling 13 times during past presidential (Bush) terms with no problem. This is the reason they won't pass a long term "FIX" that would also raising taxes on the rich 2%'ers, don't want to piss off their PIMP.

    • 16 votes
    #3.1 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:12 AM EDT
    CMlawyer

    Cant'or has it exactly backwards. A month ago, a short term deal to avoid this circus might have still made sense. Now, however, after all the posturing, the painting into the corners, stirring the financial market unrest into a hornet's nest, is exactly the WRONG time to talk about a short term deal. It does nothing for stability. It sends no message of resolution or calming of the waters.

    This Congress has made it very clear that nothing happens unless there's an unmoveable deadline, so why would anyone agree to just moving a deadline at this point! Wong Cant'or, wrong. C'mon, Virginia, we can do so much better than this guy!

    • 20 votes
    #3.2 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:18 AM EDT
    Reply
    FLYNAVY1

    Where do we find such people, and how the hell do they get elected?

    My retriever has a better memory, and higher morals than Cantor. I do see some parallels in that he (my dog) will drink from the toilet once in awhile..... Thought I better qualify my last statement.

    • 20 votes
    Reply#4 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:52 AM EDT
    Franklin Paine

    Given the actions of (Gov)McDonnell and (AG)Cuccinelli, they seem to thrive in VA (and in a myriad other places as well).

    • 5 votes
    #4.1 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:18 AM EDT
    CMlawyer

    I am coming to the conclusion that the biggest single requirement for Virginia higher elected office, has to be looking reasonably good in a business suit. With a white shirt, of course. Thinking all the way back to Gov. Wilder and up through current Gov. McDonnell, both Senator Warners (Mark and John, AG Cucinnelli, and, yes, Rep. Cantor, I realize that we Virginians still look for gentility and we think a good suit and a white shirt are the hallmarks. We have got to start looking beyond the clothes, and identifying when they mask a narrow minded, hateful, and non-representative candidate. I am to this day glad that George Allen gave himself away with his Maccacca moment.

    • 11 votes
    #4.2 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:01 PM EDT
    dclady

    As someone born and raised in northern Virginia, I deeply apologize to the rest of the states for McDonnell, Cuccinelli, and Cantor. They make me ashamed to be a Virginian.

    • 10 votes
    #4.3 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:42 PM EDT
    YELLOW DOG D.

    Hang in there, dc. I am a Texan, my list of loonies is longer than yours.

    • 10 votes
    #4.4 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:53 PM EDT
    webslinger

    Yellow,

    YA got that right buddy! Not only do we have the Guv, we've got Hey Abbott!, Dewhurst, Cornyn, Smith, Goehmert, Barton, Olson, Carter and many, many, many more!

    • 6 votes
    #4.5 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:57 PM EDT
    petridishofideas

    I think I'm in fine company with the disgusting political representatives, I have demental, graham (and is he NOT gay), haley and mulvsney. Mys skin crawls to write their names.

    • 4 votes
    #4.6 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:30 AM EDT
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    neoatg

    It make no sense to only raises the debt limit for 6 month it's is a transparent attempt to push this issue to sink up with elections.

    • 12 votes
    Reply#5 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:14 AM EDT
    Ike0716

    I love how the GOP say Dems want to push this past the 2012 elections for political reasons when their stance on doing a short term increase is completely political in itself. The only difference is the GOP is still willing to hold the debt limit hostage once again to try and gain political points for 2012. When will the madness stop?

    • 9 votes
    #5.1 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:36 AM EDT
    YELLOW DOG D.

    When we vote them out, Ike.

    • 6 votes
    #5.2 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:49 AM EDT
    petridishofideas

    harry reid has sold out to the highest bidder. DINO @!$%#!

      #5.3 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:27 PM EDT
      Ike0716

      Yellow Dog D.,

      One can only hope! I know I'll show up at the polls just like I have for the past 30 years.

      • 5 votes
      #5.4 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:36 PM EDT
      YELLOW DOG D.

      As a good American should,Ike. Thank you.

      • 3 votes
      #5.5 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:54 PM EDT
      Reply
      SuperSaiyan

      Well, Boehner is flip flopping...

      • 15 votes
      Reply#6 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:20 AM EDT
      FLYNAVY1

      Like a slimy catfish on a muddy bank of the Ohio River!

      • 16 votes
      #6.1 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:23 AM EDT
      petridishofideas

      Good one Navy! NEVER liked catfish. Used to wathc my grandma skin them....

      • 6 votes
      #6.2 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:41 AM EDT
      Brian-497171

      Well, Boehner is flip flopping...

      I think the act of flipping and/or flopping would require a vertebrae - which Boehner does not have.

      He is simple melting like an ice cube in TEA.

      • 15 votes
      #6.3 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:16 AM EDT
      Ike0716

      Well said Brian, I don't think I could have said it any better!

      • 6 votes
      #6.4 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:37 AM EDT
      Reply
      jbird

      The jury in my head is still out, but my feeling is that a good chess player rolls with changing conditions. Perhaps short term goals were bad before, but time is getting seriously short, and the markets are starting to buck globally today. Of course, perhaps Obama is holding an executive order as an ace up his sleeve. Illegal or not, my sense is he can affect positive change before the court calls him on it. So illegal or not, he'd be a national hero. The GOP might as well hang it up.

      • 7 votes
      Reply#7 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:09 AM EDT
      Brian-497171

      These Republican turds will tank our economy just to win an election.

      They must all go!

      • 11 votes
      Reply#8 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:13 AM EDT
      "TKS the Engineer"

      Everyone needs to understand that in the end, Obama is letting the GOP roll out the rope to hang themselves. He's playing chess and everyone else is playing checkers. As jbird said, he has the executive order up his sleeve so it's the GOP who will end up looking like morons if they can't pass routine legislation without guarantee's that their ultra-rich buddies won't see high tax rates. Obama will look like a hero and the GOP won't stand a chance.

      • 14 votes
      #8.1 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:17 AM EDT
      Trickledown Frown

      They're not even playing checkers, they're playing marbles without a full deck.

      • 4 votes
      #8.2 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:33 PM EDT
      Reply
      Caryl S. Foster

      I am sure the American Public is tired of this useless debate and have no desire to go through this debacle again in six to eight months.

      The American Public should demand that Congress soley focus on creating jobs or be prepared to lose their job in November 2012.

      • 9 votes
      #9 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:22 AM EDT
      dcstone01

      One way to do that is to write a tax code that taxes at 75% all the profit money these corporations are sitting on with the condition that if they produce good paying jobs in country they can get a 'tax credit' of 50% off that 'profits tax' (the US will still see a positive revenue) ... Another thing is to write a tax code that puts the Capital Gains tax at 50%-and any 'bonuses' at 50% tax rates....Cut out and close all the loopholes.

      In other words tax them and tax them hard...

      I am sure the American Public is tired of this useless debate and have no desire to go through this debacle again in six to eight months.

      Word....We are all tired of this BS...Get it done, get it done correctly, get it done for the long haul, with no 'temporary' or short-term steps...

      • 8 votes
      #9.1 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT
      WoodieRae-3499404

      dcstone: I can just see them establishing companies overseas, then marketing them as independent contractors or professional fees. There would be no payroll; ergo, only American "employees" would exist. Hands would be held out for the credits they don't deserve.

      But this will never happen, because Corporations can practically vote already.

      • 1 vote
      #9.2 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:46 PM EDT
      Naughtia

      we gave them a 100% payroll tax cut for all new highers in the US.

      many of them wont use it as they think it helps the socialist marxist obama.

      But for a majority of them.. it really doesnt matter if you cut taxes to zero, you dont hire employees based on taxes, you hire employees based on business.

      the problem isnt taxes the problem is the people have no money to give business for business so that they can hire. Which is why we need a public works program.

      In germany they were sorta smart and didnt feel the recession as hard and came up with a sorta right wing friendly solution.

      The offered to pay up to half of a workers salary if corps didnt lay them off until business returns.(and they have regulations in place to make sure they arent just subsidizing employment forever)

      This had a few good effects. It keeps people working, so people dont get up set at the unemployed getting a paid vacation. It is cheaper than UE. It keeps trained labor at corps. And last it keeps corps customers pockets full so they can give business to corps.

      and the right cant complain they are just lazy bastards living off the tit of the rich. The rich cant complain too much as they are getting labor at half price. Everyone wins.

      • 2 votes
      #9.3 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:17 PM EDT
      dcstone01

      The offered to pay up to half of a workers salary if corps didnt lay them off until business returns.(and they have regulations in place to make sure they arent just subsidizing employment forever)

      This had a few good effects. It keeps people working, so people dont get up set at the unemployed getting a paid vacation. It is cheaper than UE. It keeps trained labor at corps. And last it keeps corps customers pockets full so they can give business to corps.

      looks like a win/win option true...but there will be those that call it 'socialism' etc...lobbyists, PR firms and the media, would be all over that...

      Woodie...

      dcstone: I can just see them establishing companies overseas, then marketing them as independent contractors or professional fees.

      They already do that now...

      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-13/rich-americans-save-money-from-tax-cuts-instead-of-spending-moody-s-says.html

      http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2011/tables/11s1288.pdf

      Well, between 2001 and 2009 privately owned assets abroad went from 6.03 trillion to 14.38 trillion. The Bush tax cuts helped create jobs all over the world

      most of the 'jobs growth' during GWB's terms were overseas...if we were to 'us tougher restrictions' like the requirements I suggested to only US companies IN COUNTRY...all others should be higly taxed/higher import fees regardless...Make it a condition to do business here...Not only to hire US citizens, but pay a higher tax if your company is from out of country...no matter from where or what 'tax shelter' they have...I mean to make it hard for those business's that want to 'cheat'...

      This will keep money in country, it will also help our fellow citizens looking for decent paid work...

      But, until that is a reality...BUY AMERICAN...

      Support your local Mom & Pop stores...don't shop at 'corporate' big boxes anymore...what we 'the people' have right now is just our wallets to send the message...Make every dollar you spend count.

      • 4 votes
      #9.4 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:07 PM EDT
      petridishofideas

      @dc.....there was a jobs bill that the gop blocked that would give tax breaks to small businesses so they could hire people HERE, IN THE US. The gop doesn't WANT to help the economy. Have ya figureed out why yet! Goodle American Made and there is a site showing American made companies and products. I post the site myelf but NV won't let me without jumping through way too many @!$%#ing hoops!

      • 1 vote
      #9.5 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:33 AM EDT
      dcstone01

      Yes, I've heard of it...I've been to the site many times...

      And I do understand that the GOP has stopped many jobs bills...for the simple reason that it would have helped...The corporations don't want anything to succeed, since they want to keep control in their hands...The don't want anything that will cut off their 'power' to influence the writing of laws or the tax code...

      The GOP and their lobbyists are doing what corporations did to Carter...They want to do anything including tying the hands of the US's ability to force corps into helping 'the people'...They can stir up the masses into voicing our opposition to the Dems platforms, by keeping them unemployed, and working those who are employed shamelessly...the media is in on this too, keeping the people ignorant and not 'telling the truth'...this will then allow the GOP to further write laws/tax codes that benefit the corps even more...Had the people not caved in the last time, by voting out Carter and others who were doing the right thing in the long run...we might have had a better country now...all it did was get RR elected and we know what happened then...

      So, while it may hurt, while people may be hungry, and go homeless....we have to stay strong...This may be the last chance we have for 'the people' to have any say as to what happens...and we have to think of what is right for the long run...we can not cave...then the corporations win...look at what is happening in Michigan, SCOTUS is allowing a company to poison the water systems...shameful. That is just a taste of what is to come...think of all the changes currently being made to the EPA...platonium mining by out of country companies at the Grand Canyon...and many other distasteful goings on...This is it folks...

      • 3 votes
      #9.6 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:55 AM EDT
      YELLOW DOG D.

      dc, I am going to do my best to stand in the way. Armies need privates also. I went to my first protest today.

      • 2 votes
      #9.7 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:32 PM EDT
      Soph0571

      I went to my first protest today.

      Cool! Did you enjoy it?

      • 3 votes
      #9.8 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:34 PM EDT
      YELLOW DOG D.

      Well........... I did.

      • 3 votes
      #9.9 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:53 PM EDT
      mstanley2265

      I ♥ my first protest...LOL

      • 3 votes
      #9.10 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:09 PM EDT
      dcstone01

      Good for you Yellow, stay safe though...(and wear dark sunglasses and a hat...some organizations/people 'take pictures' of protesters)

      • 3 votes
      #9.11 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:51 PM EDT
      mstanley2265

      Definitely Sun Block too....at our age sighhhh can't afford the Dermtology office visit

      • 1 vote
      #9.12 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:58 PM EDT
      YELLOW DOG D.

      It is sunny on the Gulf Coast, we only stayed an hour so I was good there, thanks , mstanley.

      dc, the local news came by and filmed. We, about 10 of us, are just trying to get organized. this used to be a dem stronghold, but a bagger snuck in last time. I have questioned him at the townhall meeting. I talked to him as plain as here on the vine. He had voted for the Ryan plan, so i asked him him how much money he was going to make on the tax cut that was hidden in the plan since he was worth about 6 Million. He had to admit he would profit from the plan, but quickly changed the subject. But Lord willing and the creek don't rise , i will be on his ass like ignorance on bachman.

      • 3 votes
      #9.13 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:26 PM EDT
      stormshadow

      i will be on his ass like ignorance on bachman.

      EPIC line :)

      • 1 vote
      #9.14 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:19 PM EDT
      YELLOW DOG D.

      Storm, it just rolled out.

      • 2 votes
      #9.15 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:24 PM EDT
      Reply
      jbird

      When interest rates go up due to wildly gyrating markets, be sure to send your bills to the offices of Cantor/Boehner! They'll be happy for the opportunity to assist you!

      • 12 votes
      Reply#10 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:35 AM EDT
      petridishofideas

      I plan to....so should everyone else. THEY afre to blame. Send it to your congressmen and then the talking heads that are intenet on tanking our country!

      • 2 votes
      #10.1 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:36 AM EDT
      Reply
      "TKS the Engineer"

      Here's my predicted scenario:

      • He and the democrats continue to negotiate and make very public concessions and cuts (as they have been doing). I predict that in the press, they will take the cuts farther than they are really willing to go to make this point. The GOP is over-reaching and they will not budge an inch anyway. This will be a long drawn out process proving the Democrats are willing to compromise and the GOP is playing games.
      • Negotiations will go no where because house GOP hold-outs will mess things up.
      • Obama will hold a news conference the evening before August 2nd and explain that though negotiations had found common ground in many areas, the GOP position on revenue (increased taxes for the wealthy) has prevented a deal. He will say something about the GOP lack of leadership on this issue and that as president and defender of the constitution and the USA, he cannot sit by and watch a lack of leadership in the house torpedo the recovery or tarnish the fulll faith and credit of the US government. At that time, he will explain that he has instructed Geithner to do whatever he needs to to prevent a default and effectively bypass congress. By litigating GOP deadlock in the media and waiting until the last minute, he will demonstrate he leadership and stewardship of this country. The GOP will be furious
      • Following removal of debt ceiling negotiations from the budget debate, the GOP position becomes even more ridiculous... The GOP however, will spend more time attempting to impeach Obama for unilaterally raising the debt ceiling. After one year of GOP control in the house, they will have done nothing but waste time (no pledge to america, no jobs bill, what's the point).
      • Obama will be impeached in the house but it will go nowhere in the senate. They will probably still be negotiating the long-term budget in 2012. The american people will be truly sick of the GOP in 2012.
      • That, compiled with a terrible GOP presidential candidate in 2012 will ensure a 2nd term for Obama and possibly a new Democratic majority in the house. Then the real work begins on immigration and deficit reduction.

      The end, by me...

      • 14 votes
      Reply#11 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:37 AM EDT
      jbird

      I like the ending, but understand I find the scenario psychologically draining overall.

      • 9 votes
      #11.1 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:59 AM EDT
      "TKS the Engineer"

      It is draining. And it should be completely unnecessary. This is what the American people get for voting the republicans into the house in 2010.

      We'll see how close my prediction is in a few days. I'll be out of the country then - I wonder if I'll want to come back :)

      • 8 votes
      #11.2 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:11 AM EDT
      Maricopa County Resident

      That, compiled with a terrible GOP presidential candidate in 2012 will ensure a 2nd term for Obama and possibly a new Democratic majority in the house. Then the real work begins on immigration and deficit reduction.

      That's what I'm seeing. The more polarizing and far end of the spectrum they are, the easier it will be for the Democrats to score wins in 2012; we're watching it now in Wisconsin, and Arizona is heading for it's first ever recall election of a member of the legislation.

      • 7 votes
      #11.3 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:55 AM EDT
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      concerned67

      No Cantor is nothing more than a bottom feeder who lies, distorts and misleads. How in the hell he ever got into office is beyond me. The only thing of can think of is the people in Virginia is no better than this idiot. And I have relatives that live in Virginia.

      • 9 votes
      Reply#12 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:58 AM EDT
      AlphaDogReporter

      So says the guy that threw a tantrum and walked out of debt talks.

      Please, we all know Cantor is a lying snake.

      • 11 votes
      Reply#13 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:06 AM EDT
      Lions52

      This whole debt ceiling nonsense is nothing more than politics, transparent as well. Short term deal equals more politics for the republicans during the election season.Get it done NOW and let's move on to the social issues that are most important to the right.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#14 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:31 AM EDT
      Ike0716

      My guess is all the "negotiations" will mount to nothing and Congress will pass a one sentence debt limit increase legislation at the last minute with none of the "negotiations" making a bit of difference.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#15 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:42 AM EDT
      webslinger

      That's my take too Ike, but sadly, I think it'll be a short term one.

      Despite all the "drama" and handwringing, the GOP played this wrong from the start, and showed just how ridiculous and extreme they are. First there was the insistence of extending ALL tax cuts (even after Boehner stated that he'd be willing to vote only for the lower ones, but then held unemployment benefits hostage to get the high-end ones done), then the "roadmap" without numbers, then the Ryan plan which would end Medicare AND raise the deficit and debt over the next decade, then this fiasco, capped off with "Cut, cap and balance", where Boehner and the leadership KNEW that it had no chance of passing the Senate, and that a Balanced Budget Amendment never had a chance of being adopted - and that it wouldn't work, would hamstring the government and IF it passed, would cause irreparable harm. Add on top of these, what the GOP have done in WI, FL, AZ, NJ, OH, ME, MN, MI, TX, GA and other states, and you have to wonder. I know the GOP base and "faithful" are loyal no matter what, and often dumber than a box of rocks (no offense to any rocks out there), but you can only screw so many people so many times before they get wise.....and not ALL AT THE SAME TIME!...whoever calculated this political gamble screwed up big time, and I HOPE those of us that warned of it last year will be vindicated next year.

      • 5 votes
      #15.1 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT
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      steven-791492

      cantor caught again... flipping, nothing new here.

      I have come to believe in the last few days, since boner and company seem to be against any bill... President Obama should just push a clean debt ceiling bill. Everybody has said the ceiling has to be raised, this way neither side gets their demands.

      A straight up down vote, and let the chips fall where they may.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#16 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:23 PM EDT
      Michael in S J

      It has never been about the economy, jobs, taxes, debt ceiling....it has always been about not re-electing the first black American Democratic President.

      ...on a lark, Obama should propose reducing taxes on the top 2% to zero and include it in a package. Chances are the GOPers would say it is not enough and not even bring it up for a vote.

      • 7 votes
      Reply#17 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:27 PM EDT
      bse1963

      Why is it whenever these guys leave a room it smell like waffles and ham?

      • 2 votes
      Reply#18 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:05 PM EDT
      YELLOW DOG D.

      NOOOO! Now you put me off on waffles and ham, bse!

      • 3 votes
      #18.1 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:20 PM EDT
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      mgbirish

      I have never been so disgusted with the GOP in my 62 years of life, and that is bad because I never liked them, what a bunch of bull@!$%#!

      • 6 votes
      Reply#19 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:06 PM EDT
      Better Careful

      Neither Cantor nor anybody in the Republican Party much cares about the welfare of the USA, Americans, or our Federal Government. They seek to use every situation for personal indulgence and gain. As situations change so does their tactics to profit from that situation personally.

      They come to plunder. They're here to cash in. And they want what's ours.

      • 5 votes
      Reply#20 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:31 PM EDT
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