Bill Kristol adds his voice to the clamor for a new GOP candidate. C'mon, somebody, anybody, please

The GOP are very wise running candidates who appeal to the GOP base,

There are not enough people in the GOP base to win a national election. Appealing to the base exclusively is the biggest favor they can do for Obama.

There are not enough people in the GOP base to win a national election. Appealing to the base exclusively is the biggest favor they can do for Obama.

Not at all, you see, when liberals start seeing conservatism unchecked (like they have in the Primaries because the Democrats have none) they go ballistic and start acting like kooks.

You already see this in the ultraliberal "OWS" movement with their stupid-looking black and white smiley masks. They look like total morons who forgot that Halloween was only one day long.

The crazier liberals act, doing things like PETA and their last dumbass thing going after Super Mario for wearing fur (the Tanooki Suit) turns off the sane (relatively speaking) liberals who are rightfully embarrassed by such lunacy.

When the kooks come out of the woodwork, the sane people leave the party. This will cost Obama many, many votes and cause a repeat of the dismal Democrat voter turnout in 2010.

the ultraliberal "OWS" movement

How is OWS "ultraliberal"?

Look who's a stupid-looking total moron who forgot that words have meanings.

The crazier liberals act, doing things like PETA and their last dumbass thing

How is PETA liberal? Watch the kooks come out of the woodwork.

It's that "demoralization" tactic again. A little projection, too, I expect.

The "fringe" on the left is not as big as is stated, and it's the sane republicans who have been PURGED from the GOP, so they can no longer count on them, what with as many as are leaving the party for just that reason. All the GOP have left are the extreme, the fringe.

They've managed to disenfranchise just about everyone in three years, and ramped up the crazy in this last year, so it's more a question of the single-issue voter they have left to count on.

MG's last statement is pure BS. If anything, it applies to the GOP electorate more then anything else.

How is OWS "ultraliberal"?

1% Translation: Bourgeousie

99% Translation: Proletariat

Income Equality Translation: Communism

OWSer Translation: Revolutionary

The only difference between Occupy and Marxism is the face of Guy Fawkes instead of the face of Karl Marx.

How is PETA liberal? Watch the kooks come out of the woodwork.

To a liberal, a vegan is a hero. To a conservative, a vegan is a lousy hunter.

Deflect much?

Not deflect Monkey- again MG is a well known troll.

FR sent by the way.

Yah, I've seen many of their comments, and they have a serious problem with staying on topic.

FR Received and sent, BTW! : )

How is OWS "ultraliberal"? "1% Translation: Bourgeousie"

Uh, no, OWS has something to do with Wall Street. Is MG aware of the trillions handed to Wall Street gamblers by the Federal Reserve? That is where it starts. Is MG aware of the 15.2 trillion dollars stolen from the public treasury by the rich, trillions more than ALL the personal debt, that is, ALL the home mortgages and credit card debt combined?

If you are dumb, just hoot "communism" and pretend to be smart.

How is PETA liberal? "To a liberal, a vegan is a hero. To a conservative, a vegan is a lousy hunter."

Oh yeah? Prove it!

Off-topic this may be, but the pixels are free.

1% Translation: Bourgeousie. 99% Translation: Proletariat.

MG is exhibiting a logical fallacy called "The fallacy of the undistributed middle, once removed".

Here is an example: My hat is green. Parrots are green. Therefore, my hat is a parrot. MG says, One percent=bourgeoisie. Communists say, bourgeoisie. Therefore OWS is communist. BUT OWS do not say "bourgeoisie", MG says that. Therefore, the fallacy is once removed. For example, My hat is red but I'll call it green. Parrots are also green. Therefore my hat is a parrot.

"Income Equality Translation: Communism" is false. Communists deny income in any form. "Income equality" has nothing to do with communism. Ergo MG does not know what he is talking about.

"Income Equality Translation: Communism" is false. Communists deny income in any form. "Income equality" has nothing to do with communism. Ergo MG does not know what he is talking about.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's a duck. OWSers set up communes and call them "Occupations" but they're the same thing.

Anybody looking at the Che Guevara t-shirts and the sponsors of OWS will easily recognize the same set of pinkos that have been trying to push communism in the Western hemisphere for half a century.

Anyone can see my "personal attack" came directly from MeanGene's own post:

You already see this in the ultraliberal "OWS" movement with their stupid-looking black and white smiley masks. They look like total morons who forgot that Halloween was only one day long.

It doesn't matter who the republicans run. The 2012 election is going to be about Policies. The Republicans are going to be running the same old Policies that got us into this mess. BTW I understand Republicans just had a retreat that involved WORDS. In other new talking points. You would think they'd have a retreat that focused on New Policies that would help clean this Mess Up they help created and dumped on America. Unpaid for Wars (now they want to go into Iran), Tax Cuts and Subsidies for the rich/corporations, and Deregulations. Beware of Republicans new Wordings that in reality mean the Same Old Thing.

President Obama's Policies are Working. His Foreign Policies (Getting out of these Wars). His Economic Policies even Romney has said the Economy is Improving. The President's Policies are working and would have been better if it had not been for all the Obstruction. Republicans have focused on Making this President One Term, Abortion Laws, Voting Laws, and Union Laws. Nothing to move America forward. Just running a Three Ring Circus. What a Sad Joke for America.

Right wing politics of the type being offered by the current republican candidates is based on fear and ignorance.

You mean fear and ignorance of things like "Big Oil", "Big Pharma", "Banksters", "The 1%", "Corporatocracy" and other silly bogeymen created by the left who don't really exist except as straw figures?

It's essentially a negative reductionist attitude that is literally self-defeating.

I've got a negative for you: Try -$16,000,000,000,000 which is where our National Debt will be in big red ink by election day this year. We can't afford that. The interest on the debt alone is eating up half of all tax revenues. At this current rate of borrowing, in about 10 years every tax dollar collected will be spent on interest, leaving a big fat ZERO for government.

What would these types of candidates propose to address the economic situation, foreign policy, infrastructure development, and the host of other big issues?

Solve the National Debt and the rest of the issues solve themselves. Until spending is brought under control, there's going to be no money and no resources to tackle any other issue, rendering them all moot.

Until spending is brought under control

Spending on what?

meangene, Adma Smith's take on the REAL budget problem in this country -

“It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.”

And you REALLY need to stop lying about the national debt, mean. 70% of it lies with THREE presidents, reagan, and the bush dynasty.

Not to mention what composes the debt that meangene is talking about. I don't see any plan to pay for Medicare part D. We got out of one war thus saving billions..and hope to get out of Afhghanistan sooner rather than later. The bush tax cuts are due to expire at years end ALL contributing heavily to the debt.

So before the republican gain ANY credibility on the topic of debt they need to let the bush tax cuts expire, fund medicare part d and make a push to get out of Afghanistan...it would be a good place to start.

Then the republicans need to ensure firms to big to fail never ever ever bring this country to it's knees ever again.

Finally tax rate reform is needed to ensure EVERYONE and EVERY corporation pays it's fair share.

Pipe dream? of course.. the policiticans have little stomach to do what's right. It's easier to blame everyone else.

Not for nothing but at every turn budget wise the democrats have ultimately supported cuts- at times supported even MORE cuts than the Republicans even asked for.

come on kids- everyone knows MeanGene is a well known troll.. Don't waste the time trying to argue.

Yup.

He just gives credence to the old adage:

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bulls**t."

The latter is all we've seen, and it's showing a little desperation, now.

Not to mention what composes the debt that meangene is talking about. I don't see any plan to pay for Medicare part D. We got out of one war thus saving billions..and hope to get out of Afhghanistan sooner rather than later. The bush tax cuts are due to expire at years end ALL contributing heavily to the debt.

The Bush tax cuts expired at the end of 2010. The current tax cuts are all by Obama's hand. Tax cuts add nothing to the debt. The government spending more money than it has is the only thing that adds to the debt. If the government would live within its means then it wouldn't be in debt, but that solution is just too simple for spend-happy politicians to grasp.

So before the republican gain ANY credibility on the topic of debt they need to let the bush tax cuts expire, fund medicare part d and make a push to get out of Afghanistan...it would be a good place to start.

We've been trying to get the taxes on the poor raised. We've got 47% of Americans who are total worthless slackers and they need to be raided for the loot they've been holding out on paying. Damned poor people skipping out on taxes are freeloaders.

What mean, NO COMMENT on the FACT that Adam Smith, darling of rightwing fanatsy economics, in fact believed that the RICH should pay MORE taxes than the lower classes.

I love how rightwingers NEVER acknowledge simple FACTS and ALWAYS revert to fantasy ideology made up to justify greed and self-absorbtion as POSITIVE attributes. It is NOT for nothing that study after study shows the BEST equiped type of personality to prosper in a republican/libertarian world is a sociopathic one.

They can't even acknowledge seed topics. Facts? that's WELL beyond their scope.

The government spending more money than it has

Spending on what?

We've got 47% of Americans who are total worthless slackers

Really? What do you mean?

Damned poor people skipping out on taxes are freeloaders.

Since when do poor people skip out on paying taxes?

Until spending is brought under control

It doesn't matter who they put in office Money will be spent. What matters is how it will be spent. Do you want it spent on Uunnecessary and useless military equipment, Subsidies and Tax Cut for those who don't need it, Wasteful Spending,and Bailouts for those who were irresponsible? Do you want it spent on Jobs, Infrastructure, Education, Security and things that will put people back to work and move America forward and make this economy stronger and safe?

You are right... not worth the effort.

You mean fear and ignorance of things like "Big Oil", "Big Pharma"....

No actually it's fear of others, you know the type of anti-social behavior some kids display which later develops into full blown sociopathic behavior. We have a habit of putting these people in charge of corporations. The ignorance comes from a willful desire to believe nonsense in the face of evidence. We see this behavior from global warming deniers, creationists, and faith-based charlatans whipping up emotional frenzy for their own benefit.

Debt is a tool to enable investment today with the a plan to create value from that investment tomorrow. When we incur debt to destroy expensive equipment, kill people, and reduce the landscape to a toxic mess we throw away that basic business proposition by destroying the fundamental source of value thus doubling down on the waste.

Debt gets solved the same way for everyone: invest in business plans that have a chance to add value in the future instead of destroying present AND future value.

The troll wins.

so it seems..

"Unelectable", the Democrat mantra of desperation for the Failure in Chief to run against "seemingly unelectable" opposition.

Obama seems more presidential than all four of those guys put together. Which is why so many Republican "wise men" are at a loss for what to do next.

he has plenty. the stimulus worked. gm and chrysler and ford are back in business.

he got mommar gadifi and osama bin laden

we are out of iraq.

the economy is turning around.

wall street has bounced back. when bush left office, the stocks were around 7,000, now they are around 12,000.

the ledbetter act makes it to discriminate against women when it comes to equal pay.

the affordable healthcare act has enabled people with preconceived conditions to obtain healthcare.

do you want me to go on? the only people who do not know what obama has done are viewers of fox news and listeners of right wing talk radio.

the stimulus did not live up to its promise of preventing unemployment from rising

we still have the very real danger of terrorism

the economy is still very weak showing little if any recovery

the ledbetter act has done nothing for women it is symbolism over substance

people where I live have for years been able to obtain healthcare with previous conditions , women can even buy healthcare for pregnancy after becoming pregnant

so Obama the champion of the so called common man made the !% richer ?

wild,

And all that claptrap has anything to do with this seed how?

You mean the LEAKY project that was to be built by a company KNOWN for shoddy work, that would have employed maybe 5000 HIGHLY SKILLED pipefitters and welders, professions that ALREADY have very LOW unemployment numbers, in TEMP jobs over two years, and that then will employ maybe a hundred or so techs and maintenance people and NO big side employment at refineries (the lowgrade crude refineries ALREADY exist and are at capacity) OR loding facilities (same thing, near capacity and FULL employment).

Yep its IS terrible this boondogle that would have mostly benefitted texas billionaires and Chinese car drivers DID NOT go thru, for now.

#9.1

All attack, and no FACTS, to back up your assault on Class Warfare. Are Texas billionaires worse than Illinois Billionaires, or NY Billionaires ?

Speaking of SOLYNDRA TEMP Jobs....

Democrat overconfidence is going to be their downfall. There will be a new President this time next year.

@lamplighter:

Democrat overconfidence is going to be their downfall.

There's also Democratic ambivalence - lots of us have been very disappointed that President Obama didn't stand up to the R's early on. His efforts to reason and compromise with extremists have severely limited his accomplishments. Additionally, his failures on civil liberties have been many and grave.

There are quite a few of us who were excited about him in 2008 but now see him as the lesser evil. The thing is, the other evil, the Republican Party as currently constituted, is so very evil that we must ensure they don't acquire any more power than they already have.

There are quite a few of us who were excited about him in 2008 but now see him as the lesser evil. The thing is, the other evil, the Republican Party as currently constituted, is so very evil that we must ensure they don't acquire any more power than they already have.

I can only offer anecdotal evidence: when you not working, eating macaroni and gravy three nights a week, keeping your thermostat at 65, using your car for travel to work, getting hassled by creditors... you're ready to vote for Homer Simpson, even if you voted for Obama in '08. That's where my neighbor is at right now.

I certainly understand and sympathize. The current political climate makes it impossible to take the sort of action that has historically worked to alleviate recessions. That situation would not likely change, regardless of who is president.

That situation would not likely change, regardless of who is president.

I can agree with that Arnold, but the precedent in politics is that it's the guy with the most visibility who will get the either the kudos or blame for whatever's going on.