Women seeking abortions in Texas WILL be shown an image of their unborn child first

Better Careful: Oh the irony. The Virginia legislature just within the last week showed it's distrust of a woman's ability to exercise sound judgment by requiring ultrasounds before abortions, but renewed its trust in criminals, bullies and terrorists by doing away with the one handgun pre month purchase limit and allowing carry in airports.

Can people carrying out Death Penalty Sentences be shown a life-history documentary of the person they are about to kill?

Their childhood, the school they attended, people who knew them, the entire story of how they descended into a life of crime and violence, the entire trial process and any changes or transformation that person may have made in prison.

Can people carrying out Death Penalty Sentences be shown a life-history documentary of the person they are about to kill?

Their childhood, the school they attended, people who knew them, the entire story of how they descended into a life of crime and violence, the entire trial process and any changes or transformation that person may have made in prison.

Well said! Bravo Sunshine! I personally think that is actually be a good idea.

Can we show people buying guns graphic pictures of the results of gun violence?

This is different. Gun violence is only a potential result of a gun purchase. To make it equivalent, you'd have to show pictures of actual children before performing the abortion.

How about we also make them watch "Children of the Corn"???

That's a true statement Rickeroo, thanks!

Thank you for your expert opinion, Dr. Rickeroo.

Can we see your board certification?

According to some religions, it's not a person until god breaths life into it.

According to some religions, it's not a person until god breaths life into it.

According to the Bible, God forms a person in the womb.

According to the Bible, God forms a person in the womb.

Then is God a murderer when women have spontaneous miscarriages?

I say we kinda ignore god on this since he has a really bad record when it comes to killing people.

According to the Bible, God forms a person in the womb.

Which passage are you referencing?

Then is God a murderer when women have spontaneous miscarriages?

No...I'm sure He'll find someway to still blame the woman for that too ;).

Breath of life according to the bible.

http://joeschwartz.net/life.htm

Then is God a murderer when women have spontaneous miscarriages?

Since God is usually portrayed as wrathful, I doubt he would have an issue with being portrayed as a murderer.

Breath of life according to the bible.

Actually, Genesis 2:7, Job 33:4, and Ezekiel 37:5-6 support the idea that one becomes a person upon taking a breath, not in the womb.

Oh. My mistake. I thought you were janice22, attempting to provide me supportive citations to support her assertion that the Bible says that we become people in utero.

If we're going to say a person is not a person until they leave the womb, we have to stop prosecuting criminals for two homicides when they murder a pregnant woman.

we have to stop prosecuting criminals for two homicides when they murder a pregnant woman.

It does vary state by state and gestation is usually a deciding factor.

If we're going to say a person is not a person until they leave the womb...

We're not saying it. We're just pointing out what the bible says on the matter.

If we're going to say a person is not a person until they leave the womb, we have to stop prosecuting criminals for two homicides when they murder a pregnant woman.

That's a tricky subject, and I agree that on the surface it seems self-contradictory. However, it all goes back to the mother's rights. It is taking away her right to make the decision of whether to have the baby or not. We clearly need some consequence for this, or anyone could just freely punch a pregnant woman in the stomach and only be slapped with a relatively minor assault charge. The actual crime is much greater, whether you consider the fetus a person or not: you've stomped on one of that woman's rights.

We could invent some new charge for aborting a woman's baby without her permission, but it's unnecessary, and the "two homicides" rule is a simpler, cleaner way to do it.

According to the Bible, God forms a person in the womb.

maybe you should read it and find out.

I kind of like the idea of requiring men to have an anal probe when filling a prescription for erectile dysfunction medication.

I still like the idea of requiring a colonoscopy prior to receiving a prescription for Viagra. It is an equally irrelevant and unnecessary procedure and since we are requiring doctors to perform unnecessary procedures, it should be equally legal.

Apparently you think woman are stupid and that we haven't already educated ourselves about whatever choice we are about to make.

Like most of these insulting and preposterous measures it will more than likely backfire and make the women more determined than ever to go through with the abortion.

I hope they send the bill for this to the Anti-Abortion leaders who impose this requirement. Let them pay for it.

Apparently you think woman are stupid and that we haven't already educated ourselves about whatever choice we are about to make.

That would fit with the concept that women lose all of their rights to control over their body whenever they become pregnant and are relegated to the status of incubator now wouldn't it.

littleboyblue - - what I don't understand is why this is still an issue when abortion was legalized back in 1973.

It takes two to tango. What do the fathers of these children learn before they ALSO participate in the creation of a child?

The judges decision does not remove the possibility of abortion, just makes it somewhat less likely

This is kind of like when the Teabaggers were running around screaming that we should vote for them for a 'chance' for smaller government.

Why don't we remove the possibility of abortion entirely by providing adequate access to contraception, or are those dots too @!$%#ing hard to connect?

Apparently educating women on the enormity of their decision...

... is not the government's job.

I'll defend my post in reverse order.

Steve @5.8 Education is not the governments job? So must we close all the schools?

Busymonster @5.7 Better access to contraception WILL reduce the number of abortions, but not stop them altogether. Your position and/or the ultrasounds in question both aim at the same goal.

Busymonster @5.6 I agree. Perhaps the father (if known) should also be required to be there. Good idea!

Florida54 @ 5.5 The ultrasound doesn't change that.What is your point?

Dave/Pat @ 5.4 T%he ultrasound does not take away the rights of a woman so much as it balances them with the rights of the unborn child.

Dave/Pat @ 5.3

James @ 5.2 Do you also have a problem with the government sticking the bill for the abortion with all of us?

A02mit @ 5.1 No, I don't think all women are stupid, but I do think all women are hormonal. And when in such a state, they often make bad, irrational, decisions that they regret later. I know three women who have told me they have had abortions. All three regret it 20, 30 years later. One never did become a mother and now wonders every time she sees a newborn what her life would have been had she not been so selfish.

The ultrasound law will prevent other women from a lifetime of regret, without changing their right to an abortion. Let us hope all the other states adopt a similar pro-woman law.

he ultrasound does not take away the rights of a woman so much as it balances them with the rights of the unborn child.

No human and/or unborn child for that matter have rights over another human being. There is no such thing as "balancing them out" - a fetus, embryo, and zygotes are property of the woman until birth.

but I do think all women are hormonal. And when in such a state, they often make bad, irrational, decisions that they regret later.

LOL...both sexes have hormones that surge at one time or another.

I know three women who have told me they have had abortions. All three regret it 20, 30 years later.

...and your anecdotal evidence means next to nothing. I know two women who've had abortions and they don't regret them one bit.

The ultrasound law will prevent other women from a lifetime of regret,

Absolute bull@!$%#.

Santino

The law establishes or attempts the rights of the unborn.

Both sexes have hormones that surge. Absolutely true. That's why men who constantly exhibit testerone rage do not make good leaders in a modern society. That's when people get killed.

If my anecdotal evidence means next to nothing, then perhaps your anecdotal evidence is only 2/3 of next to nothing.

Calling an idea "Absolute Bull@!%#" is proof that you have no counterargument worth writing and must resort to such a silly thing. Once again, it's your hormones. Take your Midol.

Santino

The law establishes or attempts the rights of the unborn.

Both sexes have hormones that surge. Absolutely true. That's why men who constantly exhibit testerone rage do not make good leaders in a modern society. That's when people get killed.

If my anecdotal evidence means next to nothing, then perhaps your anecdotal evidence is only 2/3 of next to nothing.

Calling an idea "Absolute Bull@!%#" is proof that you have no counterargument worth writing and must resort to such a silly thing. Once again, it's your hormones. Take your Midol.

The law establishes or attempts the rights of the unborn.

What the @!$%# does that even mean? Please link to these "unborn" rights you speak of.

That's why men who constantly exhibit testerone rage do not make good leaders in a modern society. That's when people get killed.

LOL...so now everyone - both sexes are irrational and incapable of making sound decisions?

If my anecdotal evidence means next to nothing, then perhaps your anecdotal evidence is only 2/3 of next to nothing.

Nope...they're pretty much equal.

Calling an idea "Absolute Bull@!%#" is proof that you have no counterargument worth writing

It's my description for overreaching comments that pretend to speak for all women's best interest.

Take your Midol.

Are you calling me a woman?

Education is not the governments job? So must we close all the schools?

Not education about morality, no. The legislators who drafted this law freely admit that it's an attempt to guilt women into not having abortions. At that point, they aren't merely educating them, they're trying to sway them towards what they believe is the moral choice.

Women are perfectly free to educate themselves before seeking an abortion. Forcing them to hear an admitted guilt-trip for ham-fisted moralizing is not the government's purview.

No, I don't think all women are stupid, but I do think all women are hormonal. And when in such a state, they often make bad, irrational, decisions that they regret later. I know three women who have told me they have had abortions. All three regret it 20, 30 years later. One never did become a mother and now wonders every time she sees a newborn what her life would have been had she not been so selfish.

The ultrasound law will prevent other women from a lifetime of regret, without changing their right to an abortion. Let us hope all the other states adopt a similar pro-woman law.

Poke an anti-choicer and the misogyny comes gushing out. Stupid? Weak-willed? Feeble-minded? Hysterical? Emotional? Hormonal? They all mean the same thing, women can't be trusted to make sound decisions and we need to tell them what is best for them.

Folks like littleboy truly think that they know how emotionally devastated women are going to be in getting an abortion, and if the just "educate" them, they will see the light and learn the error of their ways. Of course they need to legislate this reality, we wouldn't want those "hormonal" females thinking and acting on their own now, would we.

I know three women who have told me they have had abortions. All three regret it 20, 30 years later. One never did become a mother and now wonders every time she sees a newborn what her life would have been had she not been so selfish.

I had an abortion 34 years ago this month. I've never regretted what was the best decision for me. I've never developed breast cancer even though my grandmother and mother have both had it. I've never tried to kill myself or been depressed.

I got myself, thru stupidity and naivety, into a situation I didn't want to be in. I thought thru the pro/cons of what to do. I choose to have an abortion. Don't regret it at all. I also learned a valuable lesson, and made sure that I was IN CHARGE from that point on when it came to having children, and to NOT TRUST men with those important decisions.

If you think that's selfish, go ahead. It's my life and I can be selfish when making my life choices.

I know three women who have told me they have had abortions. All three regret

Well studies show most women do not regret their abortions. I personally don't know anyone who regrets theirs but that's just me

every time she sees a newborn what her life would have been had she not been so selfish.

Why does that just applies to her abortion? Why doesn't she regret every time she had sex for pleasure instead of reproduction, all those periods she had that left a unique special egg unfertilized, or all the billions of innocent sperm killed in all her sex acts throughout her life?

Why does that just applies to her abortion?

AND if they are so worried about a woman's regret why do we never hear about the woman's regrets that give children up for adoption? Why do we never hear about the depression & suicide rates of these women? IF they are truly concerned for women's regrets & their emotional, mental welfare why are they ONLY vocal about it when it comes to abortion?

Show me a person who doesn't regret something they did or did not do 20-30 years ago (most don't have to go back that far) and I'll show you a corpse.

Also, of course the woman who was once pregnant and now, 20+ years later, doesn't have any children is going to regret her decision. Whose fault is that? Did someone force her to have an abortion?

But to say the choice should be removed because some women regret what they did is beyond absurd.

littleboyblue: my point is (5.9) that politicians with personal moral agendas do not have the right to waste taxpayers money re-visiting legislation that was settled 39 years ago! It is time to move on.

Also, in reference to your responses to:

Dave/Pat @ 5.4 The ultrasound does not take away the rights of a woman so much as it balances them with the rights of the unborn child

the "rights" of an unborn zygote/blastocyst/embryo/fetus do not overrule the rights of a full-grown woman (by the way zygote, et al, are the various stages of development, the "child" doesn't even become a fetus until the 3rd month);

and James @ 5.2 Do you also have a problem with the government sticking the bill for the abortion with all of us? Personally, I don't have a problem with paying for an abortion. Do you have a problem with possibly paying for 18 years of welfare?

Let us hope all the other states adopt a similar pro-woman law. Do NOT try to make it sound as if this is a pro-woman law. Any law that restricts a person's already established legal rights (1973) is NOT a good law.

All three regret it 20, 30 years later

So because you know 3 women who made a choice that they later regretted, you believe that the rest of us, by LAW, should submit to an internal ultrasound and a forced description of the fetal development? and you want me to believe that you don't think women are stupid?

Guess what, we all make choices every day of our lives, some we regret, others we do not. I wouldn't dream of trying to impose, by law, my beliefs on others.

No, I don't think all women are stupid, but I do think all women are hormonal. And when in such a state, they often make bad, irrational, decisions that they regret later. I know three women who have told me they have had abortions. All three regret it 20, 30 years later. One never did become a mother and now wonders every time she sees a newborn what her life would have been had she not been so selfish.

They made their choice. Now you think you can take MY choice away...because a few random women regret their decision??!! @!$%# that.

No one decides what I do with my body except ME. I have already decided (so you can't pull that "hormonal" crap on me) that I will NEVER have children. I don't like them and I don't want any. Luckily I have had access to birth control and have never had the misfortune to have it fail. So I have not yet needed and abortion. But I will never let a bunch of self-righteous women hating religious @!$%#s take away MY right to autonomy....nor that of any other women.

I happen to be an intelligent educated adult....I don't NEED anyone to make my decisions for me. So mind your own business.

This makes me livid.
This can't be happening in America.
I am thoroughly disgusted with this country.
All of our hard-earned rights are disappearing.

And to those misinformed people who make statements such as women regret having an abortion: Some do, but most only feel relief. Besides, that has nothing to do with whether abortion should be legal or not.
Disgusting.

My point is that you better have the means to take care of the unwanted unborn when they arrive.

Or will you support welfare?

politicosbandidos

They are laying in Harry Reid's trash can. There have been several "jobs" bills killed by Reid. So WTF is your point? That's right, you don't have a point. All you can do is parrot like the rest on here. Think for yourself and forget what your indoctrinators misinformed you about.

this statement is a lie. out of the "jobs bills" that conservatives like to espouse tow were about premature return to oil drilling in the gulf. the rest were tax cuts for the "job creators".

Where are the jobs, Mr Boehner?

Huh? Not that I'm a John Boehner fan, but he's not a federal judge ruling on this case and he's not in the Texas legislature.

And Texas' unemployment is about 7.8%, which is the median among all the states.

kj- You forgot the most important part of the conversation: You can pay the nurse on the way out!!!

Just leave the money on the counter.......

I was trying to show the absurdity of describing the embryo, like Happy says in 1.1, at that stage of development, it's not quite human looking yet......so the seahorse and green grape apply......

You are right on the absurdity: but, then, too many anti-choicers would not realize that fact, because they typically are shown a picture from the third trimester to illustrate the first trimester fetus being aborted. So, take our comments together, and we discover that the sonogram results probably would NOT discourage the abortion but the invasiveness and cost of the sonogram might. They can't discourage abortions on logic, so they turn to physical and financial hardship.

What's funny is this wouldn't be an issue at all if the right weren't so hell-bent on denying contraception to women.

To me, anti-abortion necessarily means pro-contraception.

If you're also anti-contraception (and given how fast the right has adopted that view, I assume all right-wingers are automatically anti-contraception), I find the right's entire anti-abortion argument to be a bunch of illogical bull@!$%# that I can now ignore.

That and they are going to pass legislation that makes it illegal for her to close her eyes and refuse to look at the picture.....punishable by 10 yrs in prison.....

This is absolutely ridiculous!!!

I hope the state is required to pay for the exam.

No the state is NOT paying for it. If you read the fine print it says she doesn't have to watch or listen to the ultrasound but the doctor MUST tell her about it.

So in effect the doctors will face criminal charges if they do not "read a script". I think this is the important part that is going un-noticed here.

I would suspect there will be many doctors filing suits over this - because in effect the state is mandating that doctors read something to every patient, even in cases where the doctor may not agree from a professional point of view.

What happens if a doctor doesn't "read the script"...they are prosecuted...that's what happens!

Does the fetus police go into the room with you and your doctor to make sure the script is read, or do they just tape it to watch later? I can just see a bunch of red neck idiots sitting in a room in Austin watching hrs and hrs. of sonogram tapes. I guess it would be a great job for the sickos that get fired from the TSA screening room.

The law, enacted in 2011, requires abortion providers to perform an ultrasound on pregnant women, show and describe the image to them, and play sounds of the foetal heartbeat. Though women can decline to view images or hear the heartbeat, they must listen to a description of the exam.

There is the problem. Doctors are in effect forced to be the spokesperson for the state...this law will be overturned by the SCOTUS if Texas courts don't over rule.

The state can NOT force doctors to say things to a patient that they don't believe or know to be in the best interest of the patient. It's no different than a lawyers relationship with his client.

The state can NOT force doctors to say things to a patient that they don't believe or know to be in the best interest of the patient. It's no different than a lawyers relationship with his client.

The problem is no one that voted or passed this cares about the best interest of the patient or doctor patient relationship. This is nothing more than a big power trip to gain control over women.

The problem is no one that voted or passed this cares about the best interest of the patient or doctor patient relationship. This is nothing more than a big power trip to gain control over women.

Ding! Bingo! The SCOTUS will be overturning this nonsense!

Not only is the state forcing doctors to perform a "service" they may not professionally agree with, even if the patient "declines the service" the doctor must still "explain the service" whether the patient wants to hear it or not!

Gov. Perry and his band of bozos screamed so loud, threw such a fit over Affordable Health Care. All you heard was you can not make people pay for insurance if they do not want to. On the other hand you can force women to have a medical procedure that is not necessary, and force a doctor to preform these unnecessary procedure and force the women to pay for all of this.

This is nothing more than a big power trip to gain control over women.

That is/was inspired by religious dogma.

Michelle Bachmann is probably having multiple orgasms after hearing about what Rcik Perry has acomplished with this ridiculous legislation!

Michelle Bachmann is probably having multiple orgasms after hearing about what Rcik Perry has acomplished with this ridiculous legislation!

Not to worry, a woman's orgasms will be the next thing they will attempt to outlaw!

Ladies its time to take control : Cross your legs, protect your eggs! We cannot get pregnant on our own. It's the male's invasive live sperm that embeds itself into the dormant egg that starts this process. We are merely the delivery system. It's his seed but our responsibility. If men gave birth, the kid would probably die of neglect shortly after birth.... but that would be ok, because a man said so.

And, how many mistresses they paid to abort.

Oops forgot them, didn't I? Thanks for adding to the list...

Forgot about the "gay" lovers as well. After all some other nut job says this type of sex causes cancer... 8)

Its always great to make assinine stereotypes isn't it?

Now spread yer legs so we can make this video nice and clear...

This law is so ridiculous! For one it is the woman's right to chose. Especially when you don't know what the situation is.She could have been a victim of rape, ECT

Rape? That Quack Dr. Ron Paul says there are "honest rapes" - he's from Texas too ya know!

You apparently don't understand how they do business down there in Texas...raped you say? you were honestly raped, now stop yer crying and climb up in them there stirrups and let them get a good shot of yer uteris and yer innards...this will only take a few seconds! Hold still god dammmit!

Orderly! Orderly! Restrain this woman so's we can git this video on the big screen!

Cut the lights! Roll video!