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During the CPAC panel on the future of the Tea Party, Kevin Jackson said that the conservative movement has a lot to learn from the Left because progressives are so forceful that they have even "changed the definition of pedophilia." Jackson might be referring to frequent right-wing claims that the U.S. should resist the growing social acceptance and civil rights for gays and lesbians because it will lead to the normalization of pedophilia
CPAC: Tea Party Activist Warns Left 'Changed the Definition of Pedophilia'
Seeded on Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:05 AM EST
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False equivalency central!
- 37 votes
Good morning Love!
I think these people must get up in the morning and suck down a cup of paranoia. I swear I have never seen so many frightened little boys and girls in my life as you do with these nutjobs at the CPAC. The crazier the vomit they spew, the more applause they seem to get, incredible!
- 26 votes
I had no idea that all of those Priests who molested little boys were "liberals". Funny thing about that, since they're blowing a gasket (along with some other things) over contraception. Or do they just consider a little boy as an appropriate form of contraception?
- 48 votes
truly - tea baggers in partnership with a religious group that aids and abets pedophiles by calling out liberals for changing the definition of pedophilia?
another in a series of events where the radical right and its religious lobby are accusing people of the actions performed by the radical right and its religious lobby
- 17 votes
But if you stop tolerating *some* people having sex, then pretty soon you stop tolerating *any people* having sex. And then the whole human race will die out because there will be no children being born. Is that what the conservatives want?
IS THAT WANT YOU WANT!?! NO MORE HUMANS!?!
- 7 votes
Robert, what little you know about the clergy and sexual child abuse;
The greatest source of reported child sexual abuse comes from the Baptist evangelical ranks.
Sources;
- 9 votes
Pretty soon, Tpubs will demand a test be given before a baby is born to determine their sexuality, if there is any hint of homosexuality in your family's past, the baby will be gassed for the sake of "purity", but Monday a new bill will be drafted by ALEC for all Tpub state legislatures, with a nationwide campaign for a Constitutional amendment for the test. Extreme? Not in today's reich wing "moral" values.
- 11 votes
resist the growing social acceptance and civil rights for gays and lesbians because it will lead to the normalization of pedophilia
odd since the majority of pedophiles identify as straight males. Gender of the child they abuse for most doesn't matter ...... as long as it's a child.
- 18 votes
Propaganda, like Jellyfish, has many TENTACLES; all meant to inject venom! And as usual, the Republicans speak in opposites. The ONES they rail against, is what They themselves, are guilty of; ie.. the Priests, Sandusky, million MOMS,hate for the sake of hating etc..
But let's give this SHYTER some credit,the 'LEFT' has changed a lot of things; ie...The right to vote,child labor laws, 40 hrs work week,outlawing slavery,the interstate highway system,equal pay for equal work,religious freedom&freedom from religion,freedom of speech,appreciation of clean air, land and water,protection from financial crooks, Social Security,Medicare,etc etc... I proclaim 'No' need to apologize!
Yes the 'LEFT' has 'changed' a lot of things, whereas the Right wants to go BACK!. But our work is not complete, we must press on for the 'COMMON GOOD', AS REFERENCED in the U S Constitution...It's so sad, they don't REALLY believe in that document!
- 17 votes
This isnt much different in how the GOP wants to fight the birth control mandate, that everyone but people with Obama derangement syndrome like, by calling it an abortion mandate.
And then the whole human race will die out because there will be no children being born. Is that what the conservatives want?
actually the opposite. They want women pumping out babies as fast as possible and they want these babies to stay uneducated for as long as possible.
More people = more commerce. People need to eat.
More people = larger employment base.
Large employment base = lower salaries
keeping them stupid, keeps republicans in power.
- 17 votes
How about we change the definition of stupid to include the term "Tea Partier".
- 10 votes
Another postcard from GOPiverse.
They create a universe where their loony philosophy makes sense. Bizzaroland.
- 9 votes
Where do they keep finding these Steppin' Fetchit opportunists? I mean seriously, if you're black and you think you might be out of a job or just want an opportunity to rake some easy cash you can always go to the teabaggers and be a mouthpiece for them and attain instant notoriety and speaking engagements, lmao.
Give me a couple of years after I get out of the military and I'll give it a try just for s**ts and giggles.
- 10 votes
I had no idea that all of those Priests who molested little boys were "liberals".
You're right about one thing, you have no idea about this. Many Catholic priests are liberals .
A presumably-unintentionally deceptive statement that demonstrates the weakness of imprecise use of language.
Catholic priests are social conservatives, and fiscal liberals.
What's interesting is that, while a good number of Democrats are (or claim to be) social and fiscal liberals, and a good number of Republicans are (or claim to be) social and fiscal conservatives, moderates tend to be social liberals and fiscal conservatives - the exact opposite of Catholic priests. I'm not sure that really means anything important; I just find it interesting.
- 6 votes
Give me a couple of years after I get out of the military and I'll give it a try just for s**ts and giggles.
I highly doubt it Zen....you have something he doesn't...Integrity
- 2 votes
Wow! I thought pedophilia was an adults molesting a kid. Now, this guy is saying it's when a grown man has sex with another grown man, or grown woman has sex with another grown woman.
Where is the "pedo" in that? Arrgh!! This has all become so confusing...
- 5 votes
gifflenet
I had no idea that all of those Priests who molested little boys were "liberals".
You're right about one thing, you have no idea about this. Many Catholic priests are liberals .
please prove this. your opinion doesn't count. facts please.
- 2 votes
Let me ask you this - how would your opinion that they are conservatives count?
As I pointed out above, what gifflenet posted was a half-truth. Catholic priests are generally social conservatives, like Rick Santorum. So in the context of what's being talked about in this thread, CPAC attack on homosexuals, a matter of civil liberties rather than regarding money, what gifflenet wrote was false.
- 4 votes
You define a social conservative as someone who opposes abortion and gay marriage. LOL. Catholic priests support immigration reform, oppose the death penalty, support civil rights causes, support anti-poverty intiatives, etc etc. The majority of priests are liberals.
The fact that Catholic priests aren't consistent in their positions isn't my fault. You cannot call someone a social liberal if they pick-and-choose among civil liberties to support: Liberalism implies compassion and consideration of all not just those you choose to respect. Considering only those you choose to respect is a characteristic of conservatives.
However, I'll give you this much: Catholic priests are social issue schizophrenics.
- 3 votes
Liberalism implies compassion and consideration of all not just those youchoose to respect. Considering only those you choose to respect is a characteristic of conservatives.
You don't have to support every single liberal orthodoxy in order to be a liberal. The left fantasizes that Catholic priests are reactionary right wingers in order to justify their demonization of and ridiculously unfair attacks on the priests.
Like I said, I'll give you that Catholic priests are social issue schizophrenics. They do indeed hold to some liberal positions. But the left doesn't actually have a big grudge against honorable Catholic priests. It is the church itself, and its policies that thwart reasonable independent oversight over bishops and transparency over church operations to preclude recurrence of past transgressions by the leadership.
- 2 votes
gifflenet
Let me ask you this - how would your opinion that they are conservatives count?
please post where I stated they were conservatives ?
what I posted is that most pedophiles identify as straight men and that for most pedophiles gender of the children they abuse makes no difference .
so basically ? you fail in your defense.
gifflenet
You define a social conservative as someone who opposes abortion and gay marriage. LOL. Catholic priests support immigration reform, oppose the death penalty, support civil rights causes, support anti-poverty intiatives, etc etc. The majority of priests are liberals.
no , catholics and christians do not openendedly support those issues. They only support them when there is benefit for them.... not unlike the right.
Christian Right Group Files Brief in Favor of Alabama's Anti-Immigration Law
http://ethicsdaily.com/christian-right-group-files-brief-in-favor-of-alabamas-anti-immigration-law-cms-19093
how many claim they are christian and for anti immigration ?
If the church/christians supported civil rights ? gays would have them.
anti poverty ?
religion is BIG business ! they have you dupes fooled !
If religion actually used the bulk of it's funds for them ?? dare say we wouldn't have any !
Catholic Church has billions invested in BPI, Philex, San Miguel
http://www.pinoymoneytalk.com/church-philippines-rich-wealth-stocks/
What is the Catholic Church worth?
Total income 422.098 billion - expenses @ 188 billion
http://www.zenit.org/article-1900?l=english
Prosperity theology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology
the death Penalty...
Capital Punishment
The Church throughout her history has firmly held to the natural law principle that the state has the right to execute criminals who are a threat both to the innocent and to the harmony of society.
http://www.roman-catholic.com/Roman/Articles/CapitalPunishment.htm
seems they are more conservative than liberal !
if they changed the definition of a pedophile to 'an adult that wants to get it on with republicans' then the definition seems exactly the same to me.
hmm...
i should probably change my avatar to a picture of a great white snark.
- 8 votes
#2 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:57 AM ESTWHO on the so called left is changing the definition of pedophilia? Specifically!
- 12 votes
#3 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:04 AM ESTspecifically?
sources?
I dont think these words appear in the right wing dictionary.
Most of what they believe, they made up right on the spot.
"If Obama gets elected he has said he is going to force white people to trade houses with black people!!!!"
and when you finally find their source, it is a story about how a court let a black man keep his home because the bank didnt actually own his mortgage.
- 13 votes
Truth and facts have never mattered to right wingers. It's always been, their way or NO NO NO. While they proclaim to be devout Christians, their 'diety; is really Limbaugh, War Mongers,Dabbling Witches,Beck, John Birch,Palin,KKK, Neocons etc... all things that are right wing and goose-step; alas, we want OUR country... BACK!
And to them I say; no johnny, YOU can not play with a real loaded gun. We will take you to the TOY store, real soon, I promise. Now sit down and shut the HELL UP...
- 10 votes
What did you expect? It's a party of drunks. I hear this talk when I go to bars, from people who've had six or seven.
- 12 votes
#5 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:40 AM ESTHold on folks ... we have to admit the guy is absolutely correct .... !
The "definition" is being changed, right before our eyes, and we "lefties" are the catalysts for this change.
You see, pedophilia has been viewed by too many people in America, and over far too many years, as simply a "naughty" transgression carried out by men who are a little "different" against only boys who invited trouble.
This has been pervasive in America, and explains why we are now seeing so many cases of criminal child sex abuse emerge over such a short time period.
And it explains why so many parents have noticed major behavioral changes in their own male children, and did nothing to find out the source of that change.
So, yes ....! we lefties are "pulling the covers" off Pedophilia, and we are allowing the definition to expand to include the mental illness that harbors the origins of it, to the desperation that now appears to include murder of those who may reveal it ...
And I do want to know who those pedophiles are and I want to know what is going on inside their heads, as well as the heads of those protecting them.
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In pedophilia case, timing of cardinal's death seen as odd, sparks investigation:
http://www.freep.com/article/20120211/NEWS07/202110341/In-pedophilia-case-timing-of-cardinal-s-death-seen-as-odd-sparks-investigation
- 7 votes
#7 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:48 AM ESTThe GOP knows all about Pedophilia. The act in and of itself, like most forms of rape, is an act more of exerting dominance over others rather than an act of sex. Children are easier to control and to keep quiet.
http://armchairsubversive.blogspot.com/2007/05/stop-republican-pedophilia.html
But it's not just limited to the right, the left has also had it's share of child raping perverts. These people, IMO, should all be chemically castrated and have a 'P' permanently branded in their foreheads for stealing the innocence of a child's youth.
- 6 votes
#8 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:13 AM ESTThese people, IMO, should all be chemically castrated and have a 'P' permanently branded in their foreheads for stealing the innocence of a child's youth.
chemically ? I'd vote for physically ! with a rusty knife ! and no anesthetic
- 2 votes
...normalization of pedophilia
The Catholic Church has already "been there and done that."
I just finished reading an article proving the Catholic Church has knowingly and willfully relocated hundreds of its accused priests out of the country or placed into "rehab" until the statue of limitation for child sexual assault had been exceeded. These priest are then "retired" into many family communities throughout the country. These communities now have child molesters living among them who should be included on the Megan's Law list of offenders but are not because of the churchs' protection/intereference.
Despite having this knowledge, the R/TP members has continued to standby the churches obvious illegal activities. They are failing to uphold the laws of this country and protect citizens from the very organization that promotes and protects the very deeds they accuse the "left" of creating.
But what truly amazes me, is there are people who are so desperate to believe the church and their politicians, they completely and utterly ignore the truth they see before their very own eyes! And so, the blame game they play is to protect the guilty (both, criminally and religiously) will continue undeterred and unpunished...
- 9 votes
#9 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:21 AM ESTAnd unlike any other organization in the country, they remain able to, as an organization, commit conspiracy and get away with it.
- 5 votes
I have also just read an article, or more importantly, an actual study on Catholic Clergy child sexual abuse called the "The Nature and Scope of the Problem of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States" by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, which I will gladly share - http://www.jjay.cuny.edu/churchstudy/main.asp -
The study results showed that 4,392 priests had allegations of abuse (representing 4% of priests in ministry between 1950 and 2002), 10,667 victims made allegations, and the Church paid (at the time surveys were completed) $572.5 million for legal and treatment fees and as compensation to the victims. Results also showed that while 55% of priests had only one formal allegation of abuse, only 3.5% of priests were responsible for approximately 26% of all allegations of (all religious) sexual abuse against minors.
Out of the 100,000 plus Catholic priests in the US, only 4% of those are accused of child molestation and only 2% are ever convicted. That's 4% too much but certainly nowhere near the epidemic proportions that the ignorant and prejudice like to think it is and certainly not in proportion to the media coverage and supposed outrage against priests that exists.
To view this in another way, Catholic priests represent only 19.4 % per capita of all the reported child sexual abuse cases in the US involving all Judeo/Christian/Islamic religions. The greatest source of reported child sexual abuse comes from the Baptist evangelical ranks.
{source} http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html%20
and
{source}http://www.snapnetwork.org/news/baptist/baptist_churches_vulnerable.htm
What I find disconcerting is that is these people who complain about Catholic sexual child abuse were actually really concerned about this issue, where is their outrage in that fact that 85% (+/-) of all child sexual abuse cases involve a family member, social worker, school employee or healthcare provider, {source} http://www.stopitnow.org/child_sexual_abuse_fact_sheet and {source} http://www.childhelp.org/pages/statistics
All I have been seeing on the vine is misinformed people with an ax to grind about Catholics or those intolerant of religion, voicing their opinions, sans any facts. The Catholic Church and clergy responsible for sexual child abuse should be punished to the full extent of the law and it's victims, economically compensated. However, while Catholic bashing by those with an obvious bias and prejudice may be vogue and hyperbolated beyond all recognition of reality, it does a grave misjustice for the vast amount of children whom are sexually abused by other than clergy.
And Catholic apologists keep dodging and evading the point: That the offense that the Catholic Church commits is conspiracy, and hides behind religious protections to evade investigation and subsequent prosecution. Where is the evidence of unpunished conspiracy on the part of any of these other groups?
- 5 votes
All you want to do is attack the Catholic Church. That should be said every time your type opens their mouth.
The priest abuse is merely the vehicle.
All you want to do is attack the Catholic Church.
Then why do I post to so many threads that have nothing to do with the Catholic Church?
You're just making stuff up now, because you evidently have nothing valid to contribute to the discussion of this thread, specifically, and seemingly want nothing more than be able to unilaterally squash the discussion out of some self-serving impression that you have right of fiat here.
- 4 votes
How about the church bring back its past ritual of castrating its priests? This would certainly ensure their priests are wholly devoted to this religion and protect its members at the same time!
Oh, thats right, it isn't about their perverse, disgusting proclivities! It is about controlling everyone else no matter if they share the same religious beliefs or not!! "Attack the catholic church", my fanny!! They are trying to attack the Constitutional Rights of every American using outdated, self serving ideology!!!
I suppose it is worthwhile to occasionally hear what went on at the freak show. I wish I had eaten less carnival food before reading it though. Thanks Soph.
- 5 votes
#11 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:41 AM ESTYep, this is possibly the lowest maneuver I've seen yet. They are essentially accusing everyone to the left of the American Republican party (which is easily 90% of the planet) of being pedophile enablers.
- 3 votes
#12 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:33 PM ESTThe only "organization" that is doing that is the Catholic church. Even the Pope himself stated it was the "norm"
I fail to see the correlation between pedophiles and gays. I guess it's in the "secret texts" that only they have written for themselves.
What scares me even more is that there are people who actually believe this garbage.
- 3 votes
Would it be cool to make up @!$%#, attach divinity to it, and then have people believe it?
- 5 votes
politics makes for strange bedfellows......the pedophile, the Catholic church, the evangelical right, the tea party.......not exactly where many of us want this nation to go.
- 5 votes
#13 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:25 PM ESTKevin Jackson said that the conservative movement has a lot to learn from the Left because progressives are so forceful that they have even "changed the definition of pedophilia."
These folks laud amazing powers onto the "left" and/or President Obama without realizing how stupid and ridiculous such statements make them seem; sheer fear-mongering at the least and complete idiocy at the most. How sad - for Jackson, our political system, our country.
- 2 votes
#14 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:43 PM ESTWho the F%ck is this guy Kevin Jackson and which f%cking left-winger is suggesting "acceptance" of pedophiles as a lifestyle choice? This kind of nonsense really amazes the f%ck out of me.
Sorry for the profanity, but f%ck!!!
- 6 votes
#15 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:05 PM ESTWaltDIS - And Catholic apologists keep dodging and evading the point: That the offense that the Catholic Church commits is conspiracy, and hides behind religious protections to evade investigation and subsequent prosecution. Where is the evidence of unpunished conspiracy on the part of any of these other groups?
Can you PROVE this alleged conspiracy? If you can source an authentic and academically researched synopsis that such a conspiracy may very well exist, I will yield to your point. If not, then as I suspect, you are merely venting your own, less than misinformed, bias
#16 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:31 AM ESTAll I can prove is that the Catholic church has asserted religious privilege to prevent authorities from obtaining the evidence necessary to prove the case. That's well-documented. Therefore, my criticisms, for now, are of the Catholic church's reticence to cooperate with the investigations of the conspiracy.
- 2 votes
In other words, you have no evidence or proof of a conspiracy and it is just your opinion. I'll respect that opinion as an opinion.
There is evidence of the conspiracy (the huge civil awards, to start with), but not proof. So no, it isn't an opinion. It is a fact for which there isn't enough evidence available to indict, because the church refuses to allow itself to be investigated, as any other institution would be required to.
- 2 votes
It's a fact you don't have proof of your "conspiracy theory". There are many whom believe that the FED (Federal Reserve Board) is behind of the collapse of this economy and they basically say the same thing you said; the FED (church) refuses to allow itself to be investigated, as any other institution would be required to.
While your accusation may have rational merit to some, the US government has no constitutional or even UN authority to demand an international audit of any international religions activities in order to placate a theory by those whom may have good intentions but lack physical evidence.
The church has the power to invite the authorities in to conduct a full unfettered investigation, to clear the church of conspiracy charges. Instead, the church makes million dollar side deals in civil proceedings. You do the math for yourself, and yes, you're correct, you are entitled to deceive yourself into believing that the church didn't commit the offense.
- 2 votes
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