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Top Ten Catholic Teachings Santorum Rejects While Obsessing About Birth Control

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The right wing Republican politicians who have been denouncing the requirement that female employees have access to birth control as part of their health benefits as an attack on religious freedom completely ignore the church teachings they don’t agree with. Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich are both Catholics, and wear their faith on their sleeves, but they are hypocritical in picking and choosing when they wish to listen to the bishops.

1. So for instance, Pope John Paul II was against anyone going to war against Iraq I think you’ll find thatRick Santorum managed to ignore that Catholic teaching.

2.The Conference of Catholic Bishops requires that health care be provided to all Americans. I.e., Rick Santorum’s opposition to universal health care is a betrayal of the Catholic faith he is always trumpeting.

3. The Catholic Church opposes the death penalty for criminals in almost all situations. (Santorum largely supports executions.)

4. The US Conference of Bishops has urged that the federal minimum wage be increased, for the working poor. Santorum in the Senate repeatedly voted against the minimum wage.

5. The bishops want welfare for all needy families, saying “We reiterate our call for a minimum national welfare benefit that will permit children and their parents to live in dignity. A decent society will not balance its budget on the backs of poor children.” Santorum is a critic of welfare.

 

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6. The US bishops say that “the basic rights of workers must be respected–the right to productive work, to decent and fair wages, to the organization and joining of unions…”. Santorum, who used to be supportive of unions in the 1990s, has now, predictably, turned against them.

7. Catholic bishops demand the withdrawal of Israel from Palestinian territories occupied in 1967. Rick Santorum denies that there are any Palestinians, so I guess he doesn’t agree with the bishops on that one.

8. The US Conference of Catholic Bishops ripped into Arizona’s law on treatment of immigrants, Cardinal Roger Mahony characterized Arizona’s S.B. 1070 as “the country’s most retrogressive, mean-spirited, and useless anti-immigrant law,” saying it is based on “totally flawed reasoning: that immigrants come to our country to rob, plunder, and consume public resources.” He even suggested that the law is a harbinger of an American Nazism! Santorum attacks ‘anchor babies’ or the provision of any services to children of illegal immigrants born and brought up in the US.

9. The Bishops have urged that illegal immigrants not be treated as criminals and that their contribution to this country be recognized.

10. The US Conference of Bishops has denounced, as has the Pope, the Bush idea of ‘preventive war’, and has come out against an attack on Iran in the absence of a real and present threat of an Iranian assault on the US. In contrast, Santorum wants to play Slim Pickens in Dr. Strangelove and ride the rocket down on Isfahan himself.

  • 31 votes
#1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:20 AM EST
Happily BLUE in Ohio

Yet more proof that Rick Sanctimonious is obsessed with sex and uses the RCC to justify his tightly wound beliefs. But god forbid that he should endorse, and follow the church's teaching on social justice!

  • 43 votes
#1.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:03 AM EST
James Essayist

The entire TBP uses false claims about everyone from George Washington to Ronald Reagan to support their attempt to turn us into a theocratic police state. Why wouldn't this gay-besotted nitwit cherry pick, twist or ignore anything about his alleged faith to similar purposes?

  • 29 votes
#1.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:25 AM EST
Bye

Will the person with the pictures of Rick Santorum having secret gay sex with a male hooker please come forward.....we have your check ready.

It's time....we know you have them.

  • 31 votes
#1.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:10 AM EST
hvymtl83

Soph,

Are you really surprised that conservatives and fundies only practice the religious principles that appeal to their personal predjudices? Heck, I thought that was understood.

  • 22 votes
#1.4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:15 AM EST
HappyToSeeYa

I could and do care less and nothing about Catholic bishops and Santorum.

Please, be concerned enough to go vote. Don't let voter suppression laws become a barrier to you casting your vote.

As long as the economy continues to improve, teapublicon campaign talking points will be focused on contrived wars on culture and religion. As in the recent past, sheeple will follow through on pulpit instructions on how to vote and will wind up voting against their best interests because of pulpit reactions to teapublicon lies about culture and religious liberties issues.

Just so you know: teapublicons in Virginia have literally legislated government's probe of women's vaginas with regard to abortion.

  • 17 votes
#1.5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:59 AM EST
Lola-984242

Well lets's see, Gingrich was obsessed with Clinton's blow jobs by Lewinski and what was he doing? Larry Craig was obsessed with homosexuals having rights and what was he doing?

Is it me or does anyone else see a pattern here?

  • 22 votes
#1.6 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:21 AM EST
Tessy

Rick the small dick prick makes me sick! He's obviously a gay homophobe - they do exist!

  • 12 votes
#1.7 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:27 AM EST
Thinknaboutit

When your political party of choice is in such disagreement with your religion of choice and you constantly side with your political party, what does that say about you as a person? On one hand it kind of shows an ability to seperate the church and the state. On the other hand, it shows a lack of morals to stand firm on issues stripping Americans of their freedom and overlook the calls for social justice.

  • 12 votes
#1.8 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:28 AM EST
TooManyPuppies

OMG and Obama made insurance companies offer the workers of religious institutes birth control coverage if they asked for it?

that is far far far far far worse than all that @!$%#. /s

you know if the political christiains fought for that @!$%#, they wouldnt be so @!$%#ing evil and unchrist like.

  • 11 votes
#1.9 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:36 AM EST
TooManyPuppies

sorry for all the cursing it gets me so mad to see the political religious right twist Christianity into some authoritarian and fascist loving religion while ignoring the basic teaching of the book. They take all the evil from religion, hate and ignore all the good, the love.

you know there is one book that promotes me-ism. That says every dime you earned you earned by yourself and owe no one else nothing. it is the book of satanism.

interestingly the satanic bible was HEAVILY Influenced by Ayn Rand, another uber fascist who believed and preached me-ism. Kinda all fits huh. Much like there rewriting of us history books, they rewrite the concerns of the bible to suit their authoritarian and fascist needs.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Bible

  • 13 votes
#1.10 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:10 AM EST
sugar12Deleted
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Will the person with the pictures of Rick Santorum having secret gay sex with a male hooker please come forward.

That will get the liberals voting for him. LOL

  • 1 vote
#1.12 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:31 AM EST
RI Mom

What constitutes SIN?

Some religions allow contraception...including Islam.

Santorum's devoutness and insistence that ALL Americans conform to a Catholic edict THAT DOES NOT EXIST IN THE BIBLE.....

is troubling.

  • 16 votes
#1.13 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:28 AM EST
JKiff

Let's see...

1. Pope JPII was against the war in Iraq. President Obama ended the war in Iraq.

2. The Conference of Catholic Bishops wants all Americans to be covered by health care. President Obama signed universal health care for all Americans into law.

3. The CCB opposes the death penalty. Rick Perry.... we're lookin' at you...

4. The CCB wants to higher minimum wage laws. The republican party wants to entirely abolish minimum wage laws.

5. The CCB wants welfare for needy families. The republicans want to abolish welfare, the democrats want to strengthen it.

6. The CCB believe in workers' rights, and unions- President Obama supports unions, the republicans want to abolish them altogether.

7. The CCB wants Israel out of Palestine. I'm not even going to get started on this fustercluck of an issue.

8. The CCB opposed SB1070, and wants immigrants treated with dignity. Which party is always pushing draconian anti-immigration bills?

9. see 8

10. The CCB opposes the Bush Doctrine ("preventive" war). Which party did President Bush belong to?

And yet, the catholic church still insists on waging a political battle against President Obama.

I love the smell of hypocricy in the morning, smells like... *(inhale)*... catholics.

  • 16 votes
#1.14 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:01 PM EST
ffeineandsugar

I love the smell of hypocricy in the morning, smells like... *(inhale)*... catholics.

Let's make one addition to that last word: catholics....heirarchy. I think many of us in the pews are predictably outraged. There is a BIG reason why I'm not contributing to the Archbishop's campaign this year, and instead am doing direct contributions to the Catholic Charities and Catholic Relief Services: political hypocrisy! And what awaits hypocrites, according to the church? I think I'll take Dante's view on this....

  • 5 votes
#1.15 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:03 PM EST
douglasq

I think his biggest offense is defying the Catholic ban on sweater vests decreed by Pope Leo VIII during his short lived reign of 963-964 AD. Many a sweater vest wearing heretic burned at the stake during those two years.

  • 11 votes
#1.16 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:59 PM EST
real michaud

Does everyone here hope Prick is the nominee? I hope so, it will be a huge 20 point landslide for Obama...the map could look like 1964, 1972, or 1984......lord it will be fun to watch a rightwing bigot flushed down the toilet this November

  • 6 votes
#1.17 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:00 PM EST
Soph0571

Are you really surprised that conservatives and fundies only practice the religious principles that appeal to their personal predjudices? Heck, I thought that was understood.

Nope but it never hurts to point it out! Often:-)

  • 7 votes
#1.18 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:25 PM EST
Tim S.-560036

OMG, hypocrisy in the ranks of religious regressives! How could this have happened?

Are you really surprised that conservatives and fundies

I object. These are not conservatives. They are regressives. There is nothing of conservation in their positions. Their sole focus is to strip the rights of those that have fought hard and have given their blood, sweat, and lives in the fight for equality. These regressives are a pox on humanity.

  • 8 votes
#1.19 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:35 PM EST
stoney-1938546

Too many puppies wrote in 1.10; "

sorry for all the cursing it gets me so mad to see the political religious right twist Christianity into some authoritarian and fascist loving religion while ignoring the basic teaching of the book. They take all the evil from religion, hate and ignore all the good, the love.

you know there is one book that promotes me-ism. That says every dime you earned you earned by yourself and owe no one else nothing. it is the book of satanism.

interestingly the satanic bible was HEAVILY Influenced by Ayn Rand, another uber fascist who believed and preached me-ism. Kinda all fits huh. Much like there rewriting of us history books, they rewrite the concerns of the bible to suit their authoritarian and fascist needs."

Ummm, I don't like to have to write this as I understand where you're coming from. Christianity is authoritarian from start to finish. It starts with several sets of 'Commandments'. It ends with 'eternal fires over flames which will never quench'-if you aren't found in the 'Book of Life'.

It also states there's no problem with divorce (if the female is cheating on the male) and no problem with abortion in the above case. It also states all laws remain in effect until 'heaven and earth passes away'.

It also urges plowshares be turned into swords. It states he has come to turn father against son and daughter against mother-enemies will be of the male's own house hold. It states families should be abandoned to follow (Jesus) and he refused permission for a disciple to attend the disciple's fathers funeral-thus violating 'Honor Thy Father and Mother'.

With the claims of Omniscience, Omnipotence and Omnipresence all are mere actors in a pointless play hitting their marks and spouting their lines when 'God' ejaculated the Universe into being.

No matter how convoluted the path the outcome was set aeons ago. This means 'God' is irreverent and immaterial. What's worse is God/Jesus sees every murder, rape, starvation, torture, etc., etc., etc..

  • 1 vote
#1.20 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:20 PM EST
JAVE

It is pathetic that Left wing Americans are slamming Santorum for not following the dictates of his faith. That is the Devil's Road for America.

Is he a good Catholic? I don't care. I'll leave that up the the Pope and his Bishop.

Santorum should be fairly judged by his performance as Senator and leader. His record as a US government official is fair game. His record of following his Church's dictates should matter only some what.

  • 1 vote
#1.21 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:28 PM EST
bccrane

So Soph what you are saying is that there should be no seperation between church and state.

The church went right down the line with what you believe, maybe we should have the church do the governing.

This whole article just shows that Santorum will follow the laws of the country not the whims of the church. Oh and BTW if conservatives, tea party, or the GOP were a different race then would many on this vine be considered racists and bigots?

    #1.22 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:37 PM EST
    douglasq

    It is pathetic that Left wing Americans are slamming Santorum for not following the dictates of his faith. That is the Devil's Road for America.

    Is he a good Catholic? I don't care. I'll leave that up the the Pope and his Bishop.

    @JAVE

    I think the problem people are having with Santorum is his propensity to suggest that we all live by the cherry picked selection of Catholic values that are important to him while he ignores those that are not...all while sermonizing about "freedom."

    So then it is no longer morality as defined by his church. It is morality as personally defined by Rick Santorum and even then he is not hypocrisy free.

    • 9 votes
    #1.23 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:43 PM EST
    itstoolate

    JAVE, Rick Santorum brought his faith into the race, no one else. Actually, he only brought bits and pieces of his faith into this race.

    • 8 votes
    #1.24 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:55 PM EST
    Tim S.-560036

    Oh and BTW if conservatives, tea party, or the GOP were a different race then would many on this vine be considered racists and bigots?

    And if dog @!$%# was chocolate, we would all be @!$%# eaters.

    • 5 votes
    #1.25 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:44 PM EST
    CapnJohnSmith

    JAVE, Saint Orum wears a sweater vest.

    • 4 votes
    #1.26 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:04 PM EST
    MartyMoose

    It's so awesome to see so many on the Left come out in such strong and spirited support of the Catholic Church. Very refreshing!

    • 1 vote
    #1.27 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:18 PM EST
    Randy McMurphy

    Taintsorum has always believed in melding the supernatural with government, He thinks its great if states can dictate if their citizens can use and possess contraception... contraception for christ sake...in 2012!

    Jave yes he should be judged on his senate record;

    Injecting the government into a personal matter in the government involvement into Terri Scaivo's case , part of why he lost his seat by 18 points...

    Voting for everyone of Bushs' budget busting tax deferments and unfunded mandates...

    In 2003, Senator Rick Santorum
    (R-Pa.) declared: "I came to the House as a real deficit hawk, but I am no longer a
    deficit hawk. I'll tell you why. I had to spend the surpluses. Deficits make it easier to
    say no"

    Thats ricky's wholehearted support FOR CRIPPLING DEFICITS AND DEBT so they cut could the safety net

    JFK was grilled by conservatives who demanded to know if he was going to take orders from Rome...Now they worry that we are not deferring enough to faith...oh the irony

    • 2 votes
    #1.28 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:32 PM EST
    Ron in CT

    Come on now, you have to cut Rick some slack. He is no more a GOP whore than the rest. He wears his religion (not faith) on his sleeve, right next to his flag pin, both of which are only for show, just like the rest of the GOP.

    If anyone can recall, the last election was all about jobs, jobs, jobs, on the right. But, just as with everything they say, that was a lie, it really was; abortion, contraception, union busting and lowering taxes for the rich. So why does it surprise anyone that Rick doesn't adhere to what the church or even his own faith dictate?

    • 6 votes
    #1.29 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:39 PM EST
    JAVE

    I think the problem people are having with Santorum is his propensity to suggest that we all live by the cherry picked selection of Catholic values that are important to him while he ignores those that are not...all while sermonizing about "freedom."

    He's a politician, see Santorum for what he is. I never heard the guy hold himself out as Defender of the Catholic Faith. Obama was also going to be the Liberal Lion that closed Guantanamo and would end the Patriot Act. President Obama has made it equally clear that he is a Christian, just as Santorum said he is a Catholic. Can anyone honestly claim Obama is as exacting to Black American Christian values as Santorum is to Catholic ones?

    A politician's words are worth much less then their deeds.

    • 2 votes
    #1.30 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:41 PM EST
    JAVE

    Injecting the government into a personal matter in the government involvement into Terri Scaivo's case , part of why he lost his seat by 18 points...

    You're 100% right. Yet, the Democrats will never touch that with a long stick.

    The Democrats will shut up and look away. The Democrats will not make an isue of the Scavio case.

      #1.31 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:50 PM EST
      MYOB-1251250

      It's so awesome to see so many on the Left come out in such strong and spirited support of the Catholic Church. Very refreshing!

      Shouldn't saint sanitarium be doing the same?

      • 2 votes
      #1.32 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:09 PM EST
      Jerry-1903677

      Jesus: "If you want to be good, go, sell all that you have and give the money to the poor and follow me."

      Insanitorium: "That's socialism and income redistribution! Never!"

      Jesus: "If someone wants to sue you for your shirt, give him your coat, too."

      Insanitorium: "This is why we need tort reform! People want a free ride by taking money from others! Never!"

      Jesus: "If someone slaps your cheek, turn the other one to him."

      Insanitorium: "You have the right to blow him away! Never!"

      Jesus: "Treat others the way you want to be treated."

      Insanitorium: "Others don't have the right to do what I don't want them to do! Never!"

      Jesus: "Don't judge others, or else you'll be judged the same way."

      Insanitorium: "What others do is wrong! I'm always right! Never!"

      Jesus: "If a man looks at a woman as a sex object, especially if he's married, he's already committed adultery."

      Insanitorium: "Well, that's about sex, so I agree with you, Jesus. Ain't I a good Christian? Now I get to go to heaven."

      • 4 votes
      #1.33 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:01 PM EST
      JKiff

      ffeineandsugar (re:1.15)- granted. My line about hypocricy should've said "the catholic church" instead of "catholics." Many of the catholics I know (including my mother) each have issues with certain tenets of the church. Furthermore, each time the media shows "catholics" opposing the contraception issue, they show only church leaders, never crowds of lay catholics.

      I apologize for my misdirected glibness.

      JAVE (re:1.21)- The reason Mr Santorum's religious beliefs are discussed so much more than his political ideals is because Mr Santorum never talks about anything other than his religious issues. He brings it up in every sentence he utters. I challenge anyone to link even three minutes of Mr Santorum discussing a current political issue without himself interjecting his religious beliefs into it.

      That challenge is not directed at you, specifically- it is an open challenge to all Viners.

      When Mr Santorum talks about something other than his religious faith, then we will too.

      • 5 votes
      #1.34 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:54 PM EST
      douglasq

      Can anyone honestly claim Obama is as exacting to Black American Christian values as Santorum is to Catholic ones?

      Wow. Blacks have a different set of Christian values? This is news to me.

      Very illuminating. But not about what you think.

      • 3 votes
      #1.35 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:19 AM EST
      James Essayist

      Kind of hard to tell about Mr. Obama's Christian values, of whatever culture or color: He doesn't keep on gassing about it like Santorum does, who cherry picks those things he finds useful to club people he doesn't like over the head with. Nothing more than a bully who justifies his horrid behavior with a cynical claim to a expediently-fragmented dogma in the name of piety, and uses that to pose himself as morally superior. I think the word I want is "heretic."

      • 2 votes
      #1.36 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:04 PM EST
      ffeineandsugar

      the map could look like 1964, 1972, or 1984

      Can we hope for negative coattails???

        #1.37 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:56 PM EST
        Tim S.-560036

        ffeine,

        Can we hope for negative coattails???

        You want Tea Party and GOP wins in congress and state elections?

        • 2 votes
        #1.38 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:36 AM EST
        ffeineandsugar

        oops. Good point, that. Sorry!

        • 3 votes
        #1.39 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:08 PM EST
        Tim S.-560036

        Whew

        • 2 votes
        #1.40 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:05 PM EST
        Reply
        Grae

        What? Little Rocky is a hypocrite? Say it ain't so!

        • 13 votes
        Reply#2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:26 AM EST
        ERich-356044

        I think we need to adopt FLYNAVY's nickname for him... IckyRicky...

        :)

        Does have a nice ring to it doesn't it?

        • 8 votes
        #2.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:33 AM EST
        Jonathan-1917156

        naw, I like Ole Ass Juice (thank you Jon Stewart for that one)

        • 4 votes
        #2.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:02 AM EST
        ERich-356044

        Yeah... that one is pretty good too!!

        • 3 votes
        #2.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:41 AM EST
        Carol-500283

        Another fine example of: do what I say, not as I do! Sometimes(underlines sometimes) so called Christians and politicians have so very much in common!! Just sayin'

        • 4 votes
        #2.4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:28 PM EST
        canary-in-the-coal-mine

        sicky ricky? sticky ricky? mickey ricky? pricky ricky?

        santorum makes it sticky, eh ricky? Just rename him Famous Anus becuase he's an ASS HOLE

        Assahola bin santorum? Worthless TWIT or should that be TW AT?

        PLEASE let the nominee be SANTORTWAT please please please...

          #2.5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:17 PM EST
          Jonathan-1917156

          he's ole ass juice (trademarked by Jon Stewart lol).

          • 1 vote
          #2.6 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:35 PM EST
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          Terry Yoder

          Catholics as the late Senator "Ted" Kennedy alongside his brothers Robert Francis, and President John F Kennedy were by far more in line with any norms of dignity than the rebel breeds of Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich might ever be. The Kennedys reached out to unite, strengthen, and secure the lives of ordinary Americans while deviants like Santorum and Gingrinch have been out entirely for their own self serving interests.

          • 13 votes
          Reply#3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:35 AM EST
          James Essayist

          And, all the Kennedys are known to have had the libidos of minks -- they just had enough sense to keep it quiet instead of making in a campaign plank.

          • 11 votes
          #3.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:41 AM EST
          Grae

          None of the Kennedys were married more than once. Gingrich,on his third "legal" marriage is not even married in the eyes of the Catholic Church. His first two marriages, while they did end legally, can not be so easily ended according to Catholic teachings. I am wondering how his marriage is recognized without a Papal annulment of either of the first two marriages.

          • 15 votes
          #3.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:42 AM EST
          James Essayist

          I have a feeling that the Great Newter isn't going to let a thing like canonically statutory bigamy stop him, given his other behaviors. :D

          • 11 votes
          #3.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:44 AM EST
          Happily BLUE in Ohio

          Gingrich,on his third "legal" marriage is not even married in the eyes of the Catholic Church. His first two marriages, while they did end legally, can not be so easily ended according to Catholic teachings. I am wondering how his marriage is recognized without a Papal annulment of either of the first two marriages.

          I doubt that any of Newt's marriages would be recognized by the RCC since his current and third marriage took place in 2000 and Newt became Catholic in 2009. If he's never been married in the RCC, he doesn't need an annulment in the RCC.

          None of the Kennedys were married more than once

          Are you forgetting that Ted Kennedy was divorced and later married Victoria Reggie?

          • 5 votes
          #3.4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:07 AM EST
          ryoushi12

          Yes, and the Kennedys never tried to shove their religious beliefs down anybody else's throat as government policy, which the evil narcissistic wackjob santorum has PROMISED to do.

          And newt became catholic to MARRY his third wife, so in the eyes of the church he never really WAS married before, since he was just a heretic.

          • 11 votes
          #3.5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:21 AM EST
          Sassy79

          I am not so sure these would fall as teachings. I feel they are more church positions/stances/opinions than teachings.

          • 1 vote
          #3.6 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:15 AM EST
          Happily BLUE in Ohio

          And newt became catholic to MARRY his third wife, so in the eyes of the church he never really WAS married before, since he was just a heretic.

          That doesn't make sense chronologically. He married his third wife in 2000 and became catholic in 2009. And no, he wasn't a heretic in the eyes of the RCC. He was a non-catholic who was married twice and divorced twice along with being a serial adulterer with wives 2 and 3.

          • 3 votes
          #3.7 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:14 AM EST
          JKiff

          Grae (3.2)- While Mr Gingrich's serial violations of the 7th Commandment do violate catholic doctrine, I'm guessing he got a "collection plate exemption" for them to be recognized by the church.

          • 2 votes
          #3.8 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:08 PM EST
          Neetu M.

          I think we can forget about Gingrich and his wives, Happily Blue, now that he has settled on the bottom. Hmmn..now let's see what Santorum will be up to. I still have hope that our country people have a degree of intelligence left, or the likes of him will bring not just birth control but every kind of control to the USA.

          • 1 vote
          #3.9 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:43 PM EST
          feliznavidad

          Grae at #3.2 -- Happily Blue has it right -- Gingrich was not a Catholic when he married wife #1 and wife #2-- (although the Church, as I understand it, does recognize Protestant marriages as legitimate) the divorces were probably exempted because he was not a Catholic at the time of his divorces. So he would only be subject to the laws of the Church from the time of his politically convenient conversion --- not for retroactively for offenses prior to his conversion. By the way, my understanding of Biblical teaching is that while a leader may be forgiven for past transgressions, they can and should disqualify him/her from leadership. Gingrich and others who cavalierly dismiss their bad conduct with the forgiven mime have obviously never read their Bibles.

          • 2 votes
          #3.10 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:15 PM EST
          Carol-500283

          Really I don't care about Newt and his standing anywhere, let alone the church. He wears that "conversion" as badly as Ricky wears his vests. All on the outside, and both look bad on either candidate. If the GOTP thinks it can parade this group of idiots out and then go to a brokered conv. and THEN everyone will forget they have had the clown show, they are nuts...well I guess we already know that! Church or no church, they ALL(Tpubs) look slimey and that's hard to absolve, I don't care who it is.

          • 2 votes
          #3.11 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:37 PM EST
          Happily BLUE in Ohio

          By the way, my understanding of Biblical teaching is that while a leader may be forgiven for past transgressions, they can and should disqualify him/her from leadership. Gingrich and others who cavalierly dismiss their bad conduct with the forgiven mime have obviously never read their Bibles.

          Remember, RCs aren't big on the Bible; they have a strong hierarchy to tell them what god wants. The RCC is big on "second hand," interpreted teaching.

          • 6 votes
          #3.12 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:10 PM EST
          Grae

          So he would only be subject to the laws of the Church from the time of his politically convenient conversion --- not for retroactively for offenses prior to his conversion.

          Not even for living in sin with women he was not married to? Oh, well. Can you imagine dealing with that in the confessional?

          • 1 vote
          #3.13 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:52 PM EST
          canary-in-the-coal-mine

          I can imagine the Lizard in "confession"...

          "padre forgive me for I have sinned..."

          "Gad, Newt - AGAIN?"..."Go off and do whatever I TOLD YOU TO DO LAST TIME..."

          • 2 votes
          #3.14 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:21 PM EST
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          UVA

          The pattern is clear .... Santorum is consumed with thoughts of homosexuality and promiscuous sex of any kind.
          This may well be a very accurate look inside his own childhood and his marriage.

          • 9 votes
          Reply#4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:20 AM EST
          real michaud

          Its amazing how Santorum who obsesses with sex can actually become the frontrunner.

          • 4 votes
          #4.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:02 PM EST
          Jonathan-1917156

          real,

          that just tells you how extreme the GOP has become.

          • 5 votes
          #4.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:09 PM EST
          canary-in-the-coal-mine

          NITWITS UNITE - you have nothing to LOSE (since you can't win the presidency anyway...)

            #4.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:23 PM EST
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            steven-791492

            Is any thinking American surprised by this?

            Thanks for seeding this inclusive list.

            • 9 votes
            Reply#5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:26 AM EST
            Colonial82

            Soph,

            Thank you for posting this. I have been trying to tell others about most of these teachings that the "Catholic candidate" has been ignoring. I hate how people like him call other Catholics the term "cafeteria Catholics", but they are just as bad or worse. There are plenty of very good positions that the Vatican has taken that conservative Catholics love to ignore. I really think that they can't call themselves "pro-life" if they are pro-wars, pro-death penalty, anti-aid to poor, and anti-health-care. He really is a hypocrite and he makes regular everyday Catholics look bad and crazy.

            I am a Catholic and I do NOT approve of his message.

            Have a great day everyone :)

            • 12 votes
            Reply#6 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:34 AM EST
            subsidizemeDeleted
            Susan Anthony

            Soph, thanks for the article. Sometimes it good to see a list like that in print. It really brings it home how twisted neocons have become.

            Also, it puts the Catholic church in a more positive light.

            I am not anti-religion. But, all religions need to look at their institutions and wonder if they are still practicing their beliefs or have they gone far afield, or if their beliefs need revising.

            For the Catholic church, for me, their handling of their child sex abuse scandals was poorly done. If instead of running and hiding, they would just face the problem like adults then maybe they could improve their reputation.

            • 5 votes
            Reply#8 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:22 AM EST
            canary-in-the-coal-mine

            well, sue - I AM anti-religion. This idiocy is the cause of most of the conflicts in the world today.

            IF the catholics had handled the issue as they should have (for the last 500 years or more or so) they would have dealt with their homosexual clergy issue by allowing priests to marry instead of repressing their parishioners. The ORTHODOX only require celibacy for those who wish to rise above the "priest" level (and that was ONLY done to prevent nepotism from taking over the church)

            Now as to their handling of clergy abuse of boys - imagine how that allegation would have been taken, say, in 1800 when the clergy was viewed as totally "pure". The reasons for moving the clergy around between parishes (after the priest supposedly prayed for forgiveness and was granted another "chance" - of course, another chance at "fresh meat") were primarily based on removal of FINANCIAL support for the church.

            • 1 vote
            #8.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:40 PM EST
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            sunshine girl-685508

            Thinking of Rick and Romney's bid to "out-Puritan" each other for the Christian Conservative vote, it is somehow very fitting to quote Matthew 23 where Jesus lambased the Pharisees for their hypocrisy, power-hunger, false pride and lack of genuine love and compassion. Some choice verses:

            MATT 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

            Hmm, not practicing what you proclaim to preach...

            MATT 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men

            After fame and public approval rather than doing anything out of a genuine heart

            MATT 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

            Since for Christians, Jesus is supposed to be the, "Way, Truth and Life" I wonder how many people the Rick Santorum's of the world have turned away from the Christ by being such a poor representative of the man, it makes people not want to have anything to do with the religion. As Ghandi would say, "I love your Christ, not your Christians"

            MATT 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

            All that show of being worshipful yet you would see the poor, widowed, deserted, disabled completely at the mercy of their misfortune. Because being rich is somehow a sign of being "God's Chosen One", those who are not must be tainted in some way.

            MATT 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

            Indeed! Where is the wise judgement, the mercy and the faith that if God exists HE will judge, you don't have to punish people NOW for differences that you find religiously offensive by being so cold and callous as to defame, discriminate and endorse dangerous quack therapies and deny their personhood and human right to defend their own body.

            MATT 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

            My bedroom with my spouse- BIG ISSUE! BIG GOVERNMENT INTRUSTION NEEDED.

            Corporate greed robbing MILLIONS of people of their very livlihood- small issue. keep government out of it.

            23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

            23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity

            Time will reveal all the dysfunction lurking beneath. Cause when you are THAT tightly wound up, there is a REASON why and whether the race or the stress of the Presidency(we hope not), all shall be revealed. Obama turned grey and started smoking. Clinton had blow jobs in his office. The Republican Presidents have a tendency to take out their stress in ways that bode ill for a lot more than their lungs or marriage. Like the GW Bush method- simply not giving a @!$%# and hiding out in Crawford while Cheney runs amok.

            23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

            23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

            23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

            This I find so fitting. The Social Conservatives LOVE name-dropping the Founding Fathers as if deist, Masonic, intellectual men like Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin would have had ANYTHING to do with these Theocracy Puritans on steriods and visa versa. If they were alive back then, they would have been the Benedict Arnold or one of the many who tried to assasinate these blaspheming, skeptics who wanted a state free from Church control.

            • 5 votes
            Reply#9 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:39 AM EST
            Don Quixokie

            Santorum would nail Christ back up and double tap him in his crown of thorns when he rises on the third day with a .45. Because that is what you do with commie socialist propaganda spouting zombies.

            • 2 votes
            #9.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:46 PM EST
            sunshine girl-685508

            Don, sadly, you just might be right.

            Healing people for free.

            Pardoning a woman from the death penality for adultery.

            Telling rich people to sell all their possessions give the money to the poor and follow him.

            Telling people not to get married and have children because it is not as important as preparing for the coming of the Kingdom.

            Healing a pagan Roman Centurion's "pais" which could be (depending on the translation) his sex-slave.

            WHAT????? What kind of liberal, hippie nonsense is that?

            • 1 vote
            #9.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:24 PM EST
            Don Quixokie

            Exactly.

            If/When the 2nd Coming happens, so many people are going to be in for such a rude shock.

            And yes they'll claim that it wasn't their fault, that they were lied to...but everyone can READ FOR THEMSELVES.

            And the most hard-hearted will go down screaming that it is THE END and that the Devil won.

            Hilarious.

            • 1 vote
            #9.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:51 PM EST
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            concerned67

            Well it looks like to me that the GOP and tea party wants to make women second class citizens and the reallity is slowly coming true. They want to be able to tell you when you can have sex and for how long and if you can use contraceptives and if something fails to be able to tell you whether you can have an abortion. They want to tell you whether you can work outside the home or whether you stay home running around barefoot and pregnant. They want to control your every move. In the bedroom the living room and the bathroom. Their ideas is women don't have the right to decide what to do with their body. The man is the complete leader of the household and the women need to get in line and follow. This is a comment from Pat Robertson. Women do what you are told. Women better start waking up or the will be third class citizens.

            • 6 votes
            Reply#10 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:51 AM EST
            FredC

            The GOP better be ready for a huge backlash from the women of this country!

            • 5 votes
            #10.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:02 PM EST
            canary-in-the-coal-mine

            Which is WHY I support santorum getting the nomination. Since he's a horse's ASS to begin with, there would be no appreciable loss and the GOTP could go gayly on it's way into partial oblivion.

            He's by FAR the easier of the 2 to defeat, runs a close race with the Lizard and beats Paul as well for general IDIOCY. And then he might even give himself the ultimate KISS OF DEATH and run with Bachman as VP. Yes, I "believe" him to be THAT STUPID.

            • 2 votes
            #10.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:47 PM EST
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            John Paul Todd

            as an advocate for Unity and Peace, it is reassuring to read the comments as well as the original article by Juan Cole. I was happy to find it as a 'balance' to all I was getting on the news clips. we have to be able to read those essays which clash with our own & seek to learn from even the extreme statements. I have job-security for as long as I live on planet earth!

            • 1 vote
            Reply#11 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:35 PM EST
            ksilvers59

            It shows once again that Sanatorium only cares about narrowly define political issues and not moral or religious values.

            • 3 votes
            Reply#12 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:42 PM EST
            subsidizemeDeleted
            ksilvers59

            You can't believe in killing and be for the right to life. Life continue after birth so what about the issues confronting people after conception? How about a State forceabling raping a women if she want an abortion? (Virginia)

            • 4 votes
            #12.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:52 PM EST
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            chumbkt

            I should make up a bunch of B.S. like what this article is, and post it as fact.

            and then get some lemmings to treat it as gosphel

              Reply#13 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:04 PM EST
              Colonial82

              I should make up a bunch of B.S. like what this article is, and post it as fact.

              and then get some lemmings to treat it as gosphel

              chumbkt,

              How is this BS? I am Catholic and know those 10 teachings are ACTUAL Catholic Church teachings. The Vatican has said that Iraq War was unjust (sin), excessive wealth (sin), pollution (sin), global warming is manmade, government have a duty to supply health-care to all citizens, death penalty is wrong, etc.

              Plus, I went to 12 years of Catholic school so I did learn a thing or two during that time about my church's teachings. Are you Catholic?

              Have a good day.

              • 7 votes
              #13.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:19 PM EST
              subsidizemeDeleted
              Soph0571

              and then get some lemmings to treat it as gosphel

              Mind the CoH. Reported

              • 4 votes
              #13.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:28 PM EST
              Jonathan-1917156

              he could have at least spelled gospel correctly.

              • 4 votes
              #13.4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:31 PM EST
              Grae

              Maybe it's a gospel for gophers.

              • 3 votes
              #13.5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:37 PM EST
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              sms29s66

              In the next debate, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich need to be asked point blank what they think of the Church weighing in on one or all of these issues. They will be sure to brand themselves as Cafeteria Catholics--just like every other communicant in this country.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#14 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:47 PM EST
              itstoolate

              Let's not forget that the Speaker is a good old Catholic boy. Maybe the Bishopsneed to publicly address these indiscretions. I have never known the Catholic Church to be shy when it comes to publicly speaking their minds. Get a couple of nuns to straighten them out.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#15 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:06 PM EST
              Happily BLUE in Ohio

              Pig Newton is a late-comer to the RCC. He's never known the pleasure of "growing up Catholic."

              • 4 votes
              #15.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:11 PM EST
              itstoolate

              Well that true, but we will throw in an extra dose of fire and brimstone for him.

              • 1 vote
              #15.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:34 AM EST
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              JAVE

              Santorum is an American and a politician. John F. Kennedy was a proud Catholic and the Left did not call him to task for not following his religion's line in all things. Is it honestly fair to criticize an American politician for not following his faith's rules with secular issues?

              So why doesn't the American Left give Catholics credit for our commitment to social justice? The article lists just the biggest ones. In the same way the Church is unbending about contraception and abortion it also is about opposition to the death penalty and poverty. To hear the Left tell it, Catholics are just a bunch of men that hate women and molest little boys. Sister Prejean is just a hollywood movie. Urban schools are just boy pools for the Priests.

              The author left off another thing, care of AIDS patients. When the secular world rejected care of America's AIDS patients in the 1980's only the Catholics provided comprehensive care for these people. The history of care of HIV and AIDS patients in NYC is a real world example of the Catholics.

              The Catholics are a universal church. The rules for America are the same as Africa and Asia. Few Catholics admire Torquemada, many admire Dorothy Day.

              Even in a secular fashion, few groups have done so much over centuries to help the poor. Few cultures in our world are as good as the traditionally Catholic nations and regions of the United States. If Left wing Americans want to move away, they go to traditionally Catholic places. They go to Canada but not Manitoba. They move to France, Spain and Italy. Did the liberals that left the USA under Bush go to the UK or Germany?

              Look at even the current conflict with President Obama vs the Catholics over health insurance. The issue is institutions that help all people like universities, hospitals, urban schools, foster care, foodbanks, shelters and social service providers. No other group, religious or secular literally provides these services all across the USA.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#16 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:08 PM EST
              Explorerdog1

              The Catholic Church believes in the rule of law except on the issue of illegal immigration. They conveniently turn a blind eye due the fact that the overwhelming majority of illegals happen to be members of that particular church. They teach through example thatwhat works for you is the doctrine.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#17 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:08 PM EST
              Jeff Jefferson-912478

              I don't see what intelligent, well-read people see in Santorum. He is currently leading in Ohio by 18%

              • 5 votes
              Reply#18 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:31 PM EST
              PamelaOh

              Neither do I. Why are people so quick to grasp onto someone "NEW."

              • 2 votes
              #18.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:40 PM EST
              itstoolate

              because they are so very disappointed in the others. Not much to choose from.

              • 3 votes
              #18.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:59 PM EST
              OomYaaqub

              Why are people so quick to grasp onto someone "NEW."

              He is well spoken and sincere, which is exactly what people loved about Reagan. He is, however, missing some crucial Reaganesque factors like wit, humor, and knowing when to shut up. For instance, I too had a stillborn child and I know some of the things the Santorums did when they went through the same thing weren't as bizarre as they seem, but did he really have to tell the world about it in detail? Ditto with his personal feelings about sex and/or birth control. He's running for President, not Head of the Committee on Public Morals or Advisor to the Vatican. It was okay to say he disagreed with the legal reasoning behind Griswald v Connecticut, which a lot of legal scholars do, but even that statement was highly subject to misinterpretation since most people aren't educated in that area and wouldn't understand. They're just left with the impression that he wants to ban birth control, even though he doesn't. Politicians need to speak with their audience in mind and not just free associate as if we were their therapists.

              • 1 vote
              #18.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:18 PM EST
              Tim S.-560036

              Is it honestly fair to criticize an American politician for not following his faith's rules with secular issues?

              Kennedy didn't run on his Faith. He ran as a secular American when it came to the policies and laws of the country. His faith was in his personal life. Santorum is a liar. He claims his faith is not the object of his running, but talks of imposing these beliefs on every American despite their personal beliefs.

              • 3 votes
              #18.4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:52 PM EST
              canary-in-the-coal-mine

              WHY is rick the prick leading in OHIO? Simple - santorum is NOT WILLARD! Willard cannot win the teavangelical vote at all. They will just not vote instead of voting for Willard. That makes sticky ricky the "logical" alternative (if you can call that LOGIC...)

              • 2 votes
              #18.5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:53 PM EST
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              OomYaaqub

              I'm pretty sure Santorum isn't obliged to follow the bishops on political matters. They are virtually all left wing outside of life issues. However, he should definitely be following the Pope on issues like Iraq and the death penalty. I'm speaking as a non-Catholic, but it seems obvious that the Vatican concept of "the seamless garment of life" means you cannot be prolife while simultaneously be pro-execution, and actually the last two popes have said as much.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#19 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:06 PM EST
              Happily BLUE in Ohio

              I'm pretty sure Santorum isn't obliged to follow the bishops on political matters.
              However, he should definitely be following the Pope on issues...

              The RCC speaks with one voice (dissendent bishops are called to conformity). If Sanctimonious claims to follow the teaching of the RCC, he is equally obliged to follow the bishops and the pope. The bishops do not have a differing view.

              • 4 votes
              #19.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:14 PM EST
              OomYaaqub

              Wait a minute. Everything a bishop says isn't necessarily a religious matter. When they are speaking about political subjects, they don't ALL agree and I doubt that every Catholic is obliged to follow their politics. If they were, then why aren't all Catholic Republicans excommunicated?

              If you can prove I'm wrong on this, please provide some links.

                #19.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:24 PM EST
                Happily BLUE in Ohio

                Everything a bishop says isn't necessarily a religious matter.

                Why else do you think RCs would care what a priest/bishop/pope thinks? No one is looking for their thoughts on who will be in the NCAA Final Four.

                When RC clergy speak on matters of religion, "good" Catholics are obliged to follow. Bishops and priests are not supposed to be preaching politics from the pulpit; that constitutes a violation of the separation of church and state. It's a fine line that some have crossed. And clergy, using the influence of their religious positions, should not be endorsing political candidates.

                • 5 votes
                #19.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:17 PM EST
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                kookuck

                I'm not Catholic but I got to say preach what you live. If you pick and choose what you do and don't do don't be surprised when others do also. If you think gay sex is bad don't do it. If birth control is bad don't use it, not even the church sponsered method. All of us live in the light that God alows us to see. If you see something different than I do don't tell me that I have to follow your path. Every church law was written by man. Men are falable.

                • 3 votes
                Reply#20 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:06 PM EST
                Bootstraps

                Who is obsessing about birth control? Who changed the subject from Feds mandating coverage to free contraception is better for women's health?

                  Reply#21 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:51 PM EST
                  FactOfTheMatter

                  Pick and choose religion is nothing new, it's just sad that people don't see it for what it is.

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#22 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:56 PM EST
                  digcreation

                  I find it funny that Santorum argues that if we don;t follow Bible approved marriage of one man and one women it will lead to polygamy.

                  • First Polygamist mentioned – Lamech in Genesis 4 v 19. Now, he was a descendant of Cain and he killed someone for wounding him. His bigamy, however, passes without adverse comment.
                  • Abraham, the first Hebrew, and ancestor of all Israel, had three wives, namely Sarah and her servant Hagar (see Genesis 16 v 3), and Keturah, as well as a number of concubines (Genesis 25 v 6).
                  • Esau, Abraham’s grandson, had three wives – Judith, Bashemath (Genesis 26 v 34) and Mahalath (Genesis 28 v 9)
                  • Jacob, father of the twelve tribes of Israel had Rachel and Leah, who were sisters, as his wives, see Genesis 29, and their servants Bilhah and Zilpah in Genesis 30. Without these four wives there would be no Israel.
                  • Gideon, mighty man of God and judge of Israel, who defeated the Midianites, and whose name is now used to distribute Bibles worldwide, had 70 sons, “for he had many wives” – Judges 8 v 30
                  • In 1 Samuel 1 v 2 Elkanah has two wives, Hannah and Peninah. Hannah gives birth to the prophet Samuel.
                  • King David, a man after God’s own heart, had plenty of wives, namely Michal in 1 Samuel 18 v 27, and Ahinoam, Abigail, Maacah, Haggith, Abital, and Eglah in 2 Samuel 3, and last but not least, Bathsheba in 2 Samuel 11 v 27. When condemned for committing adultery with Bathsheba, God reminds him of the many things he has given him, including “thy master’s wives into thy bosom…” (2 Samuel 12 vv 7&8). So it looks like God not only allowed polygamy but actively supported it.
                  • Solomon had seven hundred wives and three hundred concubines, according to 1 Kings 11 v 3, but we’ll not list their names. He wrote the Song of Solomon, a celebrated poem about marital love, to his 141st wife (see Song of Solomon 6 v 8 )
                  • Ashur had two wives, Helah and Naarah in 1 Chronicles 4 v 5.
                  • Rehoboam had 18 wives and sixty concubines, making him another busy man, according to 2 Chronicles 11 v 21.
                  • Abijah had 14 wives, see 2 Chronicles 13 v 21.
                  • Joash had two wives chosen for him by Jehoida the priest according to 2 Chronicles 24 v 3.
                  • In Jeremiah 3 vv 6-10 and 31 vv 31-32 God himself is portrayed as a polygamist.
                  • In Ezekiel 23 God portrays himself as a polygamist, married to two sisters, Jerusalem and Samaria, who commit adultery against him.
                  • The Old Testament had rules regulating polygamy and limiting its application in certain circumstances. Kings of Israel weren’t supposed to “multiply wives” to themselves according to Deuteronomy 17 v 17. You weren’t supposed to take a woman’s sister to be her “rival wife” while she was still living – Leviticus 18 v 18. And you weren’t to marry both a woman and her mother – Leviticus 20 v 14.
                  • Polygamy was recognised and regulated by the Law of Moses. Just like normal marriage, polygamy has its fair share of problems, and the law intervenes in Deuteronomy 21 vv 15-17 to make sure that children get what they’re entitled to.
                    Reply#23 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:59 PM EST
                    Tyler Durden-330839

                    All these rabid latter day Catholics hate John XXIII for Vatican II.

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#24 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:11 PM EST
                    Happily BLUE in Ohio

                    No sure what you mean by "latter day" Catholics, but many of the older ones are heartsick at Ratzinger turning back the clock to 1810!

                    • 4 votes
                    #24.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:08 PM EST
                    MYOB-1251250

                    Is that the year he was born?

                      #24.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:20 PM EST
                      canary-in-the-coal-mine

                      but we need to remember that the rottweiler was a Hitlerjungend (like it or NOT)

                        #24.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:58 PM EST
                        Tyler Durden-330839

                        I mean the ones who say the Mass in Latin.

                        It's political.

                        The Priests don't face east while saying Mass.

                        • 1 vote
                        #24.4 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:09 AM EST
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                        suz47

                        Like many Catholics....having been(prior) a practicing Catholic for several years.....pick and choose, just dont tell. Hypocritical yes.....Common place yes. Unfortuately even those that wear the cloak of the Catholic Church do the same or as we have seen in recent years far worse.....Perhaps that is why there have been in more recent years.....many Catholics albeit quietly leaving. Hard to belive in a church that do not live up to it's teachings and have so many skeletons in the closet that have harmed so many.

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#25 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:04 PM EST
                        Pacific Apple

                        OK, so he is a hypocrite! What else is new. He is a pick and chose (so I can get elected) person. Vote for him when HELL freezes over.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#26 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:33 AM EST
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