"You Can Bet I'm Not Voting For That Ape In The White House..."

Why Reagan emptied out insane asylums. GOP need their vote.

Nuts are more easily manipulated and motivated, but there are many more of us sane people. We just need to get to polls.

Soph, that is nothing new. A lot of it is the fact that the octogenarians are a nasty bit of racist work here in the USA. My own, very non-sainted mother's last words to me were to call President Obama the n-word and hang up the phone: our last conversation. She went to her death like that, none too soon for my part. Strangely, the generation before - the ones who fought for women's rights and started the NAACP were not as racist. I'm lucky to have been raised by my grandmother (the Alpha Wolf) and not my mother. As hubby always says: I would never have dated you if you'd have been like her.

#1:And then he said words I could not believe, "You can bet your ass it sure as hell won't be that damn ape in the White House, that's for sure. So you have yourself a good night!"

"Top of the morning to you", Sopho, from Chicago, Illinois and in the best Irish dialogue I can muster :-)

I have finally gotten to the place that these stupid, arrogant, ignorant, no minded (I used to call them small-minded, but things have gotten so bad that they are now "no minded"!), evil thinking and lousy scumbags, don't get my gall any more.

I realize that the less I get upset with their stupidity, the worse they feel; this is a good thing and it goes to show you that it is only hurting them really. The more they spew their hatred, the better the ratings become for the President.

DOUBLE WIN for me! BAM!

I bet that guy had been waiting for 3 years to say just that to a poll taker. 87 years old and republican (old style), you can pretty much just write him off as an ignorant old racist fool!

Zoo is right though, we need to ensure we get to the polls and vote! If we get complacent and don't do our jobs come November we will have a big surprise because the GOPs only hope is that we don't vote figuring that it's in the bag!

How's your afternoon Soph? =)

#1.1:but there are many more of us sane people. We just need to get to polls.

Amen, amen, amen, etc, etc, etc.!

Sharkey, MaryEllen, we only have ourselves to blame if we don't vote.

Hey U, & Raised, CPO, & Mary Ellen, good morning from here to Ya,

Being an American we tend to get use to Ignorance, and people who are rude and hurtful with their words in their politics, but it is sad when you have to hear it day after day. That is the beast that is our politics, but personal attacks still make us angry, and enforce our own convictions to keep those ugly few, from deciding our laws and how we have to live our lives by their rules.

#1.6:Sharkey, MaryEllen, we only have ourselves to blame if we don't vote.

And you know it!

I voted in the 2010 elections- whereas some others did not, thinking their votes were not needed, but that's water under the bridge as they say.

I won't cry over spilled milk, but it can not, must not happen again- or we are definitely doomed!

I don't ever want Raised by Wolves mom dancing in her grave over our lackadaisical spirit and attitude! (Raised by Wolves, I hope you did not mind me using you and your mom as a reference here. MEG)

Just remember, the right want you to believe, that the only racism in this country is the BS named "reverse racism"

Bush's tony snow said racism was cured in this country. The right love to try to paint Obama as the racist while trying to scare people that he is taking their money and giving it to blacks in the form of food stamps.

Notice how offended they get when you point out the cacophony of racism coming from their party and the tea party. They love to bring up dead racist dems who were in the klan, or bring up long dead policies of the dems. When in reality, the right have been actually encouraging racism. No one ever gets fired, or even looked at sternly when they are openly racist around republicans or on fox news. They all giggle and laugh and when challenged on it, they apologize for the dems finding out about it.

#1.7:That is the beast that is our politics, but personal attacks still make us angry, and enforce our own convictions to keep those ugly few, from deciding our laws and how we have to live our lives by their rules.

Good morning too Steve, good to hear from you so bright and early this Saturday morning (while our other friends are still fast asleep?!) It is nice to be able to sleep in on a Saturday morning after working 5 days, so we won't wake them, ok. :-)

I came to this conclusion about my tolerance of this dirty, cowardly racism after a lot of soul searching over the last 3 years- so it has taken me a while, trust me. But I feel better about it personally, because I don't let any one else's stupidity and ignorance control or rule how I think and/or act.

I feel that this is my way of getting back at them! As I said previously, I win-they lose!

btw, the best part of this is that there is nothing they can do about the President being elected in 2008 and will be elected again in 2012.

Thank God there are no "do-overs" for Presidential elections. Grin and bear it!

TooManyPuppies

Just remember, the right want you to believe, that the only racism in this country is the BS named "reverse racism"

They love to bring up dead racist dems who were in the klan, or bring up long dead policies of the dems. When in reality, the right have been actually encouraging racism. No one ever gets fired, or even looked at sternly when they are openly racist around republicans or on fox news. They all giggle and laugh and when challenged on it,

^^100% Agree!

Well put. :)

You can bet your ass it sure as hell won't be that damn ape in the White House, that's for sure.

And you can bet your ass that his vote in 2008 didn't prevent that 'ape" from getting to the WH, and the same will be said in 2012 when he and his kind will finally realize that the majority only see's an intelligent man in the WH who replaced an ape, and will make sure, that in this election that he, the man, will not be replaced by either of the four repug apes, who just can't wait to swing on the chandelier in the oval office.....Obama will persevere over ignorance in 2012!

#1.9: They all giggle and laugh and when challenged on it, they apologize for the dems finding out about it.

And they don't really apologize. They say " if" I offended someone! This is the loophole they use so that they can tell their friends that they did not "really apologize, I said IF".

sob's all of them.

Yea Chief

Everyone needs to get out and vote November 7th lines might be long so get there early ... Please Democrats get out remember drum it into your memory November 7th 2012 President Obama needs you there!

Chief your in charge of the get out the vote campaign .... I am trusting you!

#1.12:And you can bet your ass that his vote in 2008 didn't prevent that 'ape" from getting to the WH,

That is so funny because I believe it and can just see and hear the old bastard now wondering:"how in the hell did that ape get into the white house- I didn't vote for him!"

In addition, how is this old bastard going to feel when the President wins again in 2012 -without that old son of witch voting for President Obama.

" It's a conspiracy, I tell ya"!

That is indeed funny.

And they don't really apologize. They say " if" I offended someone! This is the loophole they use so that they can tell their friends that they did not "really apologize, I said IF".

^^ Don't forget, "I think there's been a misunderstanding. What I said was just a poor choice of words."..

...and that's supposed to make us forget about it? Sure, guy. Maybe they can forget about us voting them out of politcal positions when, hopefully this time, we'll get A-A-A-ALL of the repugliCONS out. :)

This goes back further then that. When Johnson signed the civil rights act, all the crazies jumped to the GOP which already had its own issues. But there they found a resting place, an incubator of racial hate, where they could multiply and grow, hiding behind the conservative banner. I mean just look at the attendees from some of the rallies from the last four years. If it had been, let's say, a Kennedy as keynote speaker and someone showed up with a nasty sign AND a shotgun, they would have been thrown in the pokey. But we have accepted that it is OK to carry loaded guns at such events and caved under the cry for the second amendment rights rather then the laws of safety where elected representatives are concerned. Thankfully it has not been our President yet but it has cost us Gabby Giffords and the many killed and wounded in THAT attack. I think it is but a matter of time before someone tries it with the President and we need to protect him-like we do the Kennedys-as if his life depends on it becasue it DOES.

Growing up in East New York Brooklyn in the 50's and 60's left me with a lot of social scars .... some I'm not proud of ..... but all helpful in understanding right and wrong ...

It isn't complicated .... stupid people say stupid things ...... and we are in large part effected by those who raised us as children - sometimes friends more so than family.

The number of elderly Americans who are NOT racist or bigoted far outnumbers the occasional miscreants.

Time is a teacher for those who wish to learn.

I hope this racist is not a homeschool parent.

Anyone after reading this Blog find it either strange or alarming that a political party has a list (in this case) of Republican registered voters with their Names, addresses phone numbers and ages ? If the DNC has such lists then one would presume that the GOP has similar lists !!!!

Where did they get these lists? No one source would have all that information...

Name ....Address ....Phone number ......Age ..... verification as a Registered voter ..And party affiliation !

Something seems a bit off with the story ... Ask yourself does this type list really exist, with all the information claimed on it in the Blog? If they exist, are you on a list like this? And how do you feel about it if you are?

Hell, if I was Republican I might be too embarrassed to admit I was voting for one of those clowns too.

Speaking of embarrassment - Republican clowns don't even hold a candle to the current placeholder.

I am one of those ABO people, and all I can say - vote early, vote often.

jim, you go here

http://www.voterlistsonline.com/version2/site/page.asp?page_id=home

sign up and pay their fee and you can get all the voter registration information you want. thought it was private info, didn't ya.

When I began hearing all the IRRATIONAL comments during the 2008 campaign, made by people whom I had previously thought had at least a moderate amount of decency, I knew this would be an awful time in our nation's history. The monkey pictures (even a billboard reference), photo shopped witch doctors, aunt Jemima references and pictures, the Sambo comments, the pimp & ho photo, the nappy-head wife comments, photo shopped pictures of the Obama daughters as pregnant, etc. all combined with accusations of being a Muslim/terrorist cell, not American born, since his election, are just more evidence. I knew the "sheets were off" and all would be revealed. But still, I have to thank God, believe it or not, for these revelations. Because now we all get to see the TRUE CHARACTER of the people (friends, family, neighbors) we thought were good and decent-hearted, God-fearing people. We get to see the TRUE CHARACTER of the "so-called" Christians, left & right, (the evangelicals protestants & catholics). We get to see the TRUE CHARACTER of the ones we trusted and voted into office to work beyond personal ideals, prejudices & feelings and work for the greater good of ALL and for our country. To this day it has only escalated, no matter what good things Mr. Obama manages to accomplish in the midst of "planned" opposition blocking his efforts to make him look incompetent. All this, to the near detrement of American citizens.

This is actually a good thing.

It means they won't go to the polling place. More votes for Obama!!!

An 87 year old angry, uneducated, white man vented his racial slurs.

Sad

But Newsvine posts hundreds of seeds that report outrageously bigoted politicians who resort to birther, nazi, muslim, communist, slanderous accusations.

It's the people who VOTE for these haters that scare me.

#1.16:^^ Don't forget, "I think there's been a misunderstanding. What I said was just a poor choice of words."..

OR, "I didn't say black, I said blah"! (santorum when caught making a racist remark and being asked about it).

Time is a teacher for those who wish to learn.

Coral: Yours is an excellent point, which definitely bears repeating. Too many kids play hooky when they get old, just as they did years before. Obama 2012! He's doing the job as well as it can be done, and it's especially tough nowadays!

#1.17: I mean just look at the attendees from some of the rallies from the last four years. If it had been, let's say, a Kennedy as keynote speaker and someone showed up with a nasty sign AND a shotgun, they would have been thrown in the pokey. But we have accepted that it is OK to carry loaded guns at such events and caved under the cry for the second amendment rights rather then the laws of safety where elected representatives are concerned. Thankfully it has not been our President yet but it has cost us Gabby Giffords and the many killed and wounded in THAT attack. I think it is but a matter of time before someone tries it with the President and we need to protect him-like we do the Kennedys-as if his life depends on it becasue it DOES.

Thank you very much for your comments. I do not understand either (or do I?) why it is ok for some idiots to carry loaded weapons to rallies where the President is scheduled to appear. And to hell with their second amendment rights! I have the right to not to have to listen to them.

These rights have not been a concern until now- uhm. I wonder why? It is just another racist mantra that these scumbags can utter as if, again, they are the victims.

A group of yellow-bellied cowards, all of them. They have a mob mentality and can not operate outside this group-mentally ill think thank. Typical KKK- and similar to KKK- behind hoods and WITH GUNS in an effing group. I detest all of them!

#1.24:But still, I have to thank God, believe it or not, for these revelations. Because now we all get to see the TRUE CHARACTER of the people (friends, family, neighbors) we thought were good and decent-hearted, God-fearing people.

Thank you for your comments. I am sure that they were very well thought out and well written.

My father, who is now deceased, had a saying that I have found to be very enlightening to you and I would like to share it with you, and any others who read this comment and are interested.

My father's saying was: "that was cheap, it could have cost me a lot more. I consider myself lucky!"

Better you find out now -rather than later- when the price would have been much, much more!

Reference to African Americans as chimpanzees and apes is one of the lowest cheap shots available. Do I dare go for the race card? Gasp! Drum roll! YES, if the shoe fits please stuff your head inside.

sign up and pay their fee and you can get all the voter registration information you want. thought it was private info, didn't ya.

Your quite right I didn't know that such a service existed... Thanks for the information....

Timba65

WTF are you talking about?

it's interesting to me that you have bought the Republican idea that Democrats in this country aren't very bright.

And that happened where exectly?

It saddens me to think that you don't seem to have the intelligence or integrity to stand by your convictions without the use of lies, less than half-truths, and innuendo.

Sorry your so sad ! Do you always insult people you don't know? Care to point out those lies, half truths and innuendo's you just claimed I said! Or are you just making things up?

But take heart, I am told that your condition can be cured if only you have the intestinal fortitude to face yourself in the mirror and realize that you too can become a better person.

I would LOVE to tell you what I think of your post...I really would... But that C of H thing denies me that avenue...

All you have to do is click your heels together and repeat over and over..."I think i can, I think I can".....

But I am sure anyone that reads my Post # 1.20 And agrees with what you just posted is not someone I really would want to have a conversation with anyway...

You seem to have taken a very personal interest in me ... On Thursday you had "pity" for me today I "sadden" you ... I really hate to be effecting you so emotionally why not put me on Ignore.... Because after your above comment ... I could really care less what you feel or think...

Please enjoy your Sad and pitiful day ...And please go project your personal issues onto someone that cares!!!

jim, how you vote is a private matter, whether you have voted or not is recorded and as you can see, becomes public.

Comment to Diane: Statements like that can get you a visit from some very official people. And it's nasty!!!!!

#1.31:With any luck he won't survive until November!

Who are you taking about? Who is the "he" you are referring to?

Please let me know if it is the President that you are referring to so that I can report you to the authorities, asap.

I am voting for Obama

I have a bumper sticker on my car

Obama 2012!

Some ass hole yelled at me that I shouldn't vote for him , the earth will go to hell in a hand basket

I yelled back and said

The GOP put us in hell since 2000, I am not voting for someone so interested in my uterus

That shut him up

LMAO all the way home.

Jim44- again sad that I have to spell it out- Vote on Nov. 7 ring a bell. The right tried that LIE in Ohio(specifically Cleveland) a few years back, didn't work well then either. Much like Cantor, McConnell, and Boehner you seem to forget that what you write is recorded. Have no fear my saddness and pity lasts only until I click post.

.

Let the lunatics reveal themselves.

Expose the lunatics that lurk in the shadows for what they are.

Counter lies and distortion with facts and evidence. Never lie.

Educate. Calling someone stupid doesn't make them smarter.

Support and defend the causes that better the human condition.

Vote.

Timba so true. So let's say it loud and clear: get registered, and vote on Tuesday, NOV. 6, 2012. Don't let anyone tell you or anyone else differently.

Comment to Diane: Statements like that can get you a visit from some very official people. And it's nasty!!!!!

Yep, and it will also get her banned from Newsvine. She's been reported.

abolish taxes

and they have to turn it into the FBI

OOPS Diane

Everyone needs to get out and vote November 7th

I'll be sure to tell ALL MY REPUBLICAN FRIENDS! LOL!

Kind of funny,not haha funny,but humiliating funny,that he mentioned ape.

At this point,ANY primate would likely poll better than ANY oft 'derrr gop candidates du jour' if we were asked.

Also at this point,derrr gop will need more than just luck to win. More along the lines of 'A Miracle Act of God'. Since derrr gop knows Him so well,do ya' think they asked Him nicely yet...or just their usual demanding BS???

Jim44- again sad that I have to spell it out- Vote on Nov. 7 ring a bell. The right tried that LIE in Ohio(specifically Cleveland) a few years back, didn't work well then either. Much like Cantor, McConnell, and Boehner you seem to forget that what you write is recorded.

LOL, I know, it is basically an admittance of desperation on his part. So sad.

This call, to me, makes the case why congress (particularly the Senate) is mired in such gridlock since the election of a black president, it's dominated by Old White Males.

more like

Old White Farts.

2010 illustrated what happens from COMPLACENCY. IF the progressive citizens of the USA CHOOSE to allow a moron to AGAIN serve as president (santorum, Romney, grin-grinch) we will have ONLY OURSELVES TO BLAME. I don't consider Paul a moron, BTW, but his politics is so ante-bellum as to be irrelevant. Notice that I purposefully will NOT capitalize the name of the leadewr of the pack in IDIOCY - santorum.

At any rate - we MUST get spending under control - congressional people seem to feel that delivering those earmarks is the ONLY way they can continue to be reelected (and that, of course, is a politician's ultimate wish) ENACT TERM LIMITS (at least cut down on the lifespan of the fiefdoms)

close overseas bases (90% of them serve no defense purpose - they are remnants of the cold war as staging areas for fighting PAST ENEMIES). Cut a minimum of 1/3 out of the "defense" budget (do you realize that the US spends as much on this "defense" as EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD COMBINED??)

tpi @ 1.46

And yet, and yet - it was ok to refer to President George W. Bush repeatedly as Chimp.

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Chief it seems our inside joke has caused some to get their panties in a bit of a wad ...

Well my friend, how do you want to play it? We could be nasty and see how far people will go with it, or we could let them off the hook, NOT! See you at the other end! LOL!

Sometimes ya just got to say What the Fluck !

Decorating and bloody mary's! One horrible! One great!

That's what I call balance!

Jim44, that may be your shortest comment ever. #1.54

Mary Ellen Galloway & Carol #s - For your information, the "he" I'm referring to is the ignorant old fool that called the President an unspeakable name!!! Talk about mis-reading! I'm a loyal supporter of Obama and am as sickened as any of you that race should have any part in elections. But back off before accusing me of attacking the President! Oh thanks for reporting me...NOT!

K .... thanks for clearing that up Diane.

You might wanna be more specific next time. Sorry for reporting you. (I reported you too...)

MaryEllen #1.30

My father's saying was: "that was cheap, it could have cost me a lot more. I consider myself lucky!"

Better you find out now -rather than later- when the price would have been much, much more!

Thanks much.

#1.31:With any luck he won't survive until November!

Diane, let me offer you my apology for assuming that you were talking about President Obama. I try to avoid the use of pronouns for just that reason, it is easy to mistake who you are referring to. Again, my apologies to you.

#1.60:Thanks much.

You're much welcome!

I'm a loyal supporter of Obama and am as sickened as any of you that race should have any part in elections

Really? Then why don't you write Obama and tell him that:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/02/02/obama_announces_2012_launch_of_african-americans_for_obama.html

Jim44- I would suggest that in the future you not attempt an inside joke in a PUBLIC forum. I will admit to posting what I did to get under your skin just a bit. With that in mind let me leave you with a little ditty that I am quite certain you will remember...."Mission Accomplished."

@1.63

And how do you figure that's a race thing Drummer. Oh, because he's black and is now going to have something for blacks. Wow, that's a far stretch even for you Drummer.

mymymy - well it WAS an insult to the CHIMPS...

MaryEllen Galloway

#1.9: They all giggle and laugh and when challenged on it, they apologize for the dems finding out about it.

And they don't really apologize. They say " if" I offended someone! This is the loophole they use so that they can tell their friends that they did not "really apologize, I said IF".

sob's all of them.

That comment makes ZERO sense. If you arent offended by a comment why the hell would you think an apology is warranted? Entitlementitis?

You missed the point cannonballer, the nonapology "if I offended" is the new sorry I got caught phrase. It is the "if" part. Of course they offended someone or why would the apology be put forth in the first place.

Well, all I can say is.

I won't be voting for any freaking moron with an R/TP as their party of choice.

The last time I voted stupid was in '88 when I voted for the first Bush. Nixon in '72 and Bush in '88.

Vote for Obama by Nov. 6, 2012.

This country can't take any more years of used toilet paper being in the congress, let alone allowing it into the Whitehouse. We've had enough of the Greedy Old Perverted ones in office for a life time.

Vote for an opportunity to make things better, get rid of the liars GOP/TPer's who promise to make things better, but only better their masters the 1%.

Timba

Let me repeat myself ... Because I said it so well the first time ...

Because after your above comment ... I could really care less what you feel or think...

Please enjoy your Sad and pitiful day ...And please go project your personal issues onto someone that cares!!!

There Daw 2 in a row !!!!

Oh Yea ... Timba .... Save future keystrokes and keep your suggestions to yourself ! You can play the ...

. I will admit to posting what I did to get under your skin just a bit.

Bull @!$%#..... To try to make your words not look as offending as they were... I don't need it ... Those words were written for you not for me !!!!

Damn Dawg I couldn't help myself !!!

But yet you reply again...."Mission Accomplished!!" I apologize IF I offended anyone.

See cannon it doesn't mean anything at all. I don't care if I offended him.

Not all that often I get to tie multiple posts together, banner day for me.

Ignored ...Bye

Now what fun is that. I think my feelings are hurt.

"Because of that vile, ignorant, racist man I am going to work even harder now."

Whoa, I will work even harder this election for my President Obama... smile :-)

"Now what fun is that. I think my feelings are hurt."

<giggle>

Libbies grasping at straws again..???…..What 85 year old would not call the President an Ape, no matter who was in office….??? These kind of articles only advance the optimism that Obama is one and done..... when they pick on old folks instead of seeding legitimate defenses that might demonstrate him worthy of another term……!!!

Deflect, Deny, Defend.....conservative mantra...has been for a long time now. <sigh>

mymymy,#1.51,your link does nothing. Is it supposed to be a joke?

Curious george would be a cartoon joke. An old man of my grandmother's age who commonly uses the N word is not. I'm not talking about the old man who uses the N word constantly either.

Calling my grandmother on the phone has been quite the experience for the last few years. She always votes D,yet refused to vote in '08. She consistently tells me about how Bill Cosby along with a few other black entertainers are racist,but not in a polite way eirther. She states matter-of-factly that 'those god dam ni**rs are racists. Yes,it does work both ways,white,black,any race for that matter,but to state it the way she does is disgusting IMO.

Not very surprised...mention Obama or immigration (legal or otherwise) and it's like "the South will rise again!" This is the same mentality that elected Saxby Chambliss (a multiple draft deferee during the Vietnam War) over Max Cleland (a bona fide war vet). You need only google or look at wikipedia to see just how dispicable this sack is...but you must realize that he had a few million accomplices that elected him and put him there.

This is the "good old days" the current imposter of the GOP wants to sell the American public...but frankly they are losing that culture war. If the last presidential election is telling, it is that the solid South is crumbling, and while Obama may not be the best thing since bread came sliced, the GOP pretenders don't even come close (Mitt, maybe...and that is probably why he is facing such an uphill battle in his own "party"). History is the ultimate vindicator, and dinosaurs like this voter will soon be pushing daisies, leaving the future generation to clean up their mess.

As always, a good seed Soph...

Jim44@1.20

Yes those lists DO exist and each party has a copy of them. I worked for a politician once and can tell you that they do have those demographics and info. It stopped me from making any contributions or working for a campaign. We think it is all done anonymously but it is not.

Jim44...Hmmm,where can I start. Voter registration info is accessible by either party. There's nothing illegal about it. Do you know about the government's DoNotCall list? Well,it's irrelevant in these instances.

If a party wants to call about election questions,and you are a registered voter,it's completely legal. It's not some huge conspiracy either. It is strictly for election (whatever) and is not info which is sold to anyone. Welcome to the post-20th-century-aka-the-21st-century. It's been quite legal for at least decades.

On a side note,do y'all research ANYTHING?!?!?...Or is it a 'my neighbor told me it was illegal' thing?

Hi soph, another good seed I agree but how come I NEVER see you commenting on any of My seeds of which there are many? This is NOT a rhetorical question.

I was surprised by the racist title of this piece until I read it and realized you plucked it straight from the internet.

My one comment is to all Obamites. The racist vote is out there and will vote against Obama next time round. I'm currently traveling in a city in which I've spoken to seven blacks I never met before and none of them are happy with Obama. I asked them for obvious reasons. None of my progressive friends or me will vote for him either--we see him as just another Bush II but with oratorical skill which he does not use on behalf of the people. I would be willin to be he's also lost the vote of all those young folks who were inspired (as I was) by this rhetoric of hope and change.

I don't think any of this bodes well for his re-election. I do hope the Republicans have a contested convention out of which they produce a person who won't make a bad president. I'm still waiting for news about a new third party candidate but the longer I wait the more I wonder whether he'll get his campaign off the ground quickly enough.

Anyway, my main point I think is that there is a huge racist vote out there and these folks will almost certainly not miss a chance to vote AGAINST Obama. And he lacks the support of every progressive I know, and all of us both voted for him, many of us worked for him, and a few of us gave his campaign serious contributions (which he doesn't need now since he's got a Super PAC which violates his recent comments and promises).

Oh well... just want to point out the obvious. At least I'm not singing to the choir. And will those of us who are progressives vote for a Republican? I can imagine a candidate team emerging that might attract some of us, though you've got to have a pretty good imagination to think my imagined scenario would ever come about. No, we're likely to vote for some third party candidate or perhaps write in 'Donald Duck'. That's how I see it. I think most of the Obamites above are unrealistically comfortable.

Any comments are of course welcome. This topic might merit an article.

LOL, and a good morning to all! MEG, my mom is twirling on the side of "C" hill over Carson City, Nevada! You may cast all aspersions you wish in that general direction! I'll be back... just getting the oatmeal on the table!

#1.68:You missed the point cannonballer, the nonapology "if I offended" is the new sorry I got caught phrase. It is the "if" part. Of course they offended someone or why would the apology be put forth in the first place.

Thank you timba, and you are correct, Thank you for the clarification you offered. I thought it was clear when I first entered the comment, but apparently it was not for some. Thanks again. MEG

Morning Raised & Meg, happy Sunday, just sucking my third cup of coffee, and about to run around the house three times to try and burn it off, I even raced the dog for the paper and beat him and now he is pissed at me, so have a good day.

TPisFORtheBATHROOM101- I forgot to add the part that these lists are legal. Thanks for adding that. I had thought up to the point of that job that it was illegal- I asked my neighbor apparently, lol- but it is all under public information and everyone has everyone else's info.

Truthlover:

Despite the findings of your anecdotal investigation, most progressives and democrats could not possibly see any of the repupublican possibilities as an improvement. I will grant you that there are some who had perhaps unrealistic expectations of what Obama could do, who may not enthusiastically rush to the polls and this could hurt. But, the alternative is absolutely devestating.

Who wants a party that has no respect for women, minorities or the working class. The republicans are so far out of touch that they actually believe that what most americans want is a return to the days of absolute white male superiority. That is what they are about.

They reallly believe that most americans want to demonstrate american exceptionalism through our military defeating a bunch of countries that are not that far removed from throwing rocks at their enemies..

They really believe that most americans believe that most rich people are concerned about creating jobs.

They really believe that most americans want less governent in their lives but welcome it when it comes to gay marriag, abortion and now contraception. The last two, of course, also requires the belief that women want men determining what happens to their bodies.

No, my friend, President Obama's record is a good one, not a perfect one. But, name me one POTUS who has been perfect. It is impossible because the definition of perfection is very subjective and individually determined. But, we do know that Obama has done some good things under trying circumstances and with republicans in congress who absolutely detest his existence.

Actually, your post sounds like wishful thinking to some extent. I will agree with you though in this regard. The racists that hate Obama will not support him. Duh!!!

The racists that hate Obama will not support him. Duh!!!

Oh for the love of God, stop with the racist accusations already!!

Are you going on the record as claiming publicly that anyone who does not support Obama is a racist? I mean I honestly want to know if this is your claim?

DO YOU CONSIDER ANYONE WHO DOES NOT SUPPORT OBAMA A RACIST?!?

Well, I do, drummerboy. It always gets down to stone cold silence when I ask why a person is not supporting Obama. After I debunk what they think they know about the Affordable Care Act, the unemployment figures, the TARP bailout; in other words, what ever a true political point would be, they still say "I just won't vote for him." At that point, I usually ask if it is because of his skin shade. Some are too embarrassed to answer but some actually finally cop to it.

Well, I do, drummerboy. It always gets down to stone cold silence when I ask why a person is not supporting Obama..

Then you are either completely ignorant or totally dishonest…..!!!!!

Oh, how I've missed these salient barbs during my hiatus. Such wit; such facile prose! I've got wonderful secret names for all of you.

Drummerboy:

"The racist vote is out there and will vote against Obama next time round."

This is the comment that Iwas referring to in Truthlovers post. No, I do not think that ALL people who oppse Obama are racists. But, I do know that MANY who oppose him are racist. Here is why. Just listen to the tone of the rhetoric. There is absolute hostility against this man on a PERSONAL level. Since most of these people do not know him personally, from where does this level of vitriol emanate? Coments like 'liar", "you are not a citizen", "Harvard isn't what it used to be", "antiamerican" and comments against the first lady are all indicative of criticism that goes far beyond political policy.

Obama created a racial frenzy among many simply by having the gall to run for POTUS and win. And, he did it without raising the race issue once. Do you know who raised it? The radical right wing conservative element of the republican party by injecting Reverend Wright, a relatively obscure minister, into the mix. Do you know how they did it? By suggesting that there was something sinister in Obama's participation in this church with an obvious racist and unpatriotic pastor. Do you know why it did not work? Because when you listened closely to what awright said, there was nothing racist in it. He was speaking AGAINST racism. Then, on the issue of patriotism, the radical right gasbags were toatlly outflanked. Reverend Wright left college to join the Marine Corps. After honorably completing his tour of service with the Marines, he joined the Navy. Most of teh Republican gasbag war mongers never served and continue to live off of the fat of the land while demonstrating their patriotism with flag pins on their Armani suits.

No, my friend, your righteous indignation should be directed at those who want to perpetuate hypocrisy and contiue the mythe of a racismless society.

Yep Al, and all you have to do is read the words of Lee Atwater who talked extensively about how the Republican Party could get the racist vote without saying the word @!$%# @!$%# @!$%# in order to understand the strategies used by the GOP in order to achieve just that.

Well, I do, drummerboy.

Well you're wrong on this one, period.

Okay Al, then perhaps you should write the White House and tell Obama to NOT make part of his campaign SPECIFICALLY about race:

http://newsone.com/nation/kirstensavali/potus-launches-african-americans-for-obama-campaign/

RaisedByWolves,

TARP wasn't even Obama's baby to begin with. It was Bush, Paulson, and the Democratic Congress that created it. The auto bailout, the Stimulus, and every other financial bill passed in 2009 were Obama's. Let's break down the auto bailout, first.

The auto bailout was supposed to prevent GM and Chrysler from going bankrupt. However, instead of preventing their bankruptcies, it only DELAYED them by several months. On top of that, GM paid back bailout loans with bailout grant money, but was allowed to claim it paid back all of the bailout loans using profits in its advertising. Meanwhile, investors were screwed out of their investments due to the Federal Government being GRANTED stock in exchange for the loans and grants, while those who had spent money buying GM stock had their shares declared null and void. Plus, you had the Federal Government ordering the closing down of profitable dealerships in some areas, while maintaining dealerships in areas that weren't as profitable as those that were closed down.

Now, the Stimulus was supposed to create "shovel ready jobs" and help stimulate the economy while preventing unemployment from getting to 8%. While it did create some jobs, the majority of the money went to state governments to save government jobs. That money that went to private companies, ended up being wasted at best. Most of the jobs at the companies it went to cost over $300,000 to create according to released figures. Plus, the DOE guaranteed loan program dished out money to "green" energy companies that were in poor financial shape to begin with. One of those companies was raided by the FBI over the loan it received. What's worse is that many of the companies, in dire financial shape, that received these loans had major Obama donors running or being major investors in more than one of the companies. This alone makes the Stimulus look more like a kickback scheme than a general stimulus for the economy.

Drummerboy then I would take it you want these groups to cease their existances.

http://latinorepublicans.ning.com/

http://latinogop.org/

http://www.facebook.com/LatinosAgainstObama

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hispanics-against-Obama/253041894714983\

http://www.blacksagainstobama.net/

http://www.nbra.info/

What I meant by including TARP, tomwcraig, was that it is something that is thrown out as an anti-Obama argument by the ignorant on the right and that it was one of the list of silly reasons they won't vote for Obama that I have to counter (that one by telling them that the Shrub did that). Sorry that I was not clear.

"that ape in the White House." Amazing is it not how right wingers who claim to be Christians and believe literally in the story of creation suddenly believe in evolution. And it is amazing too is it not, that those right wingers disparaging evolution are the ones behaving the most like apes.

Amazing is it not how right wingers who claim to be Christians and believe literally in the story of creation suddenly believe in evolution

First, who from the story is claiming to be a Christian and where is the quote in which they do this?

Second, how in the @!$%# do you get that using a term like "APE" is cause to assume someone believes in evolution? A pretty preposterous stretch considering all the use of the word in this case is is a disgustingly blatant show of racism.

EPIC FAIL

The reference you cited would seem to substantiate my position. It suggests that there is some lack of black support for Obama because they feel that he has not addressed black issues. Clearly, this would indicate that he has not injected race into his policies or practices.

The fact that he is addressing this group politically makes perfect sense. His support from this group has been north of 90%. This is a major constituency. He cannot afford vote erosion from this group. There is nothing in his actions there that diminish any other race. Blacks are a politicl entity, and his need to address this constituency would be the same if he were courting the union vote, for example.

Yes, blacks supported the POTUS in droves. But, the fact of the matter is that blacks support the democratic nominee in droves anyway. Did the fact that Obama was black create more enthusiasm among black democrats-no doubt. If you vote democrat anyway, and now after hundreds of years you get a black democratic candidate, what is not to like. This idea that blacks were being somehow racist by supporting Obama because he is black is absolutely absurd. People vote their interests. Up until the election of Obama, blacks supported countless white candidates in the general election for POTUS.

Just as an aside, I wonder if you and others really understand why there is so much support for black candidates by whites. The reality is that racism in america created that dynamic. Segregation, particularly in housing patterns, created black conclaves. When blacks were able to run for office, guess who they represented and wht districts they came from. Black districts. Obama was in the state legislature representing a primarily black district in Illinois. That was his base. He won the Illinois senate seat in a three way race as I recall it and his primary republican opponent got caught in some kind of a sex scandal. The point being that his initial constituency was overwhelmingly black and for blacks to get elected in statewide or national elections they almost always need virtually 100% of eh black vote.

So, don't blame Obama for the racial dynamics that exist in this country. That blame goes right back to teh founding fahers of this great nation.

Drummer B...

Epic fail

Sometimes, it takes some time, but in the end the truth never fails. Always it wins.

but in the end the truth never fails. Always it wins.

Barack Obama is living, walking talking proof that statement is false.

Funny how you COMPLETELY dodged the question though, thanks for clearing that up.

It must be hard for Republicans to see their hopes for 2012 vanishing in front of their eyes as their very own fellow republicans insist on thrusting an idiot like Santorum to the forefront of the party. Ouch. I feel their pain, but it's so funny to watch what they are doing to themselves. They might as well nominate that woman at the McCain rally who stood up and said she heard that Obama was a Muslim. LOL!!!!

Al-2739446

#1.103- You are correct about blacks supporting candidate Obama in 2008. But implying that support was strictly because he is black is a misrepresentation. African Americans supported candidate / Senator Obama because for the first time a black candidate was viewed as a "Serious" candidate, a candidate who actually may have a chance of winning. As you know Senator Obama was not the first African American to run for President. I remember Rep Shirley Chisholm of New York the first black woman elected to congress running for President in 1972. Since then there has been Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Alan Keyes and most recently Hermain Cain. These candidates did not recieve overwhelming support because they were not viewed as serious candidates who had a chance of winning. So to infer African Americans support the President strictly because he's black is not totally accurate. As an African American, I can assure you he recieves that support because he is the best person for that position at this point in our nations' history...

PoliticoMan_

I don't think that I suggested that blacks supported him just because he was black. In fact, I went into some detail to point out the fact that blacks support the democratic message anyway, and that racial segregation has resulted in most black politicians emerging from black conclaves.

I do not think that blacks voted for Obama solely because he was black. If Colonel West, Clarence Thomas, or some other black conservative were running, although they are black they certainly would not get the black vote.

So, it is far more than color. It is ideology and perception of competence.

I would agree with your assessment on Chisolm, Jackson and Sharpton. But, I do think that Jackson and Sharpton kind of set the stage for Obama. They got the US accustomed to seeing a black face in the debates. In other words, Obama did not come in as someone who looked different than anyone who had been there before.

Blacks, like everyone else, vote their interests. This is why I was advising the other poster that Obama's efforts to retain the black vote make absolute political sense. If they were going to vote for him simply because he is black, then Obama would have to do nothing.

Al-2739446

#1.108- I do agree Sharpton and Jackson set the stage for Obama by allowing black America to see a black person in the debates on a semi-consistent basis. You did not say it directly that blacks supported Obama just because of his ethnicity, but a lot of times people come to that conclusion. Just listen to Limbaugh blast black America for their support of the President. Never heard him blast white America for supporting any previous President. Republicans are now entertaining the thought of putting Rubio on their ticket for VP. Why? We both know the answer, they assume latino Americans will vote their ticket just because Rubio is a latino. That is insulting. As you have stated, blacks generally support democrats, so does mexican Americans and Puerto Ricans however Cubans generally vote republican. But by putting Rubio on their ticket they assume they can bite into the Puerto Rican and Mexican American vote. Did not mean to accuse you directly, just wanted to state the fact, black Americans like anyone else choose their candidates for ideological reasons and ethnicity or religion has very little if anything to do with it. This is far more than we can say about the current republian candidates and those who support them....

But by putting Rubio on their ticket they assume they can bite into the Puerto Rican and Mexican American vote

The republicans are hoping that they can create enough doubt in voting that they will vote against their best interests. The Republicans are looking for those that listen and watch the republican disinterest message without realizing they DO NOT have their interest at heart but getting elected or reelected as first and foremost.

I do agree Sharpton and Jackson set the stage for Obama by allowing black America to see a black person in the debates on a semi-consistent basis. Absolutely. I believe Jackson one a state or two in the primary and you had to start thinking aobut the possibilities.You did not say it directly that blacks supported Obama just because of his ethnicity, but a lot of times people come to that conclusion. Just listen to Limbaugh blast black America for their support of the President. Never heard him blast white America for supporting any previous President. Well, it's interesting because this is the first time that blacks had an opportunity to support a black in the general election. As I mentioned before, they supported numerous white candidates prior to that. Republicans are now entertaining the thought of putting Rubio on their ticket for VP. Why? We both know the answer, they assume latino Americans will vote their ticket just because Rubio is a latino.There isn't a whiter man that Rubio. He has bought inot the system lock, stock and barrel. White male republicans are praising Latinos like him because he believes in the system, the exacxt same system that has perpetuated white supremacy in the first place. That is insulting. As you have stated, blacks generally support democrats, so does mexican Americans and Puerto Ricans however Cubans generally vote republican. But by putting Rubio on their ticket they assume they can bite into the Puerto Rican and Mexican American vote.Absolutely. They want to make a distinction between those hard working Latinos who come to this country seeking opportunity and those lazy Negros who have been here all along squandering it. A large part of the republican unstatred strategy is creating enemies among all of those who are on the bottom of the scale. White folkd fear blacks going after welfare and taking more of their tax dollars, Latinos are made to feel different than the lazy blacks etc. They know what they are doing. Did not mean to accuse you directly, just wanted to state the fact, black Americans like anyone else choose their candidates for ideological reasons and ethnicity or religion has very little if anything to do with it. This is far more than we can say about the current republian candidates and those who support them....

If you want to kknow what really drives most of these right wing republican conservative zealots, listen to Pat Buchannon and read some of his writings. There is a fear of teh extinction of the white race. He sees multiculturalism as the enemy. I missed something. What did the Statue of Libery stand for? But, Buchannon sees the rise of other ethnicities, nonwhite, as the death knoll for white america and that culture. He doesn't understand that what it really represents is the death knoll for white culture being seen as supreme. I can imagine that he went inot apoplexy when he read that Interracial marriages and relationships haved increased significantly in recent years.

As for me, an African American, I never viewd Sharpton nor Jackson as serious Presidential candidates. That is why I didn't support them... I know a lot of African Americans who felt the same way...

I know a lot of African Americans who felt the same way...

Yep.

PoliticoMan-

I don't think that most people viewed Jackson and Sharpton as serious candidates, but they added something to the narrative. Let's face it, any candidate, black or white, running primarily on a civil rights agenda is not going to win. This is why Obama distanced himself from that strategy and race generally.Obama knew that the fact that he was black would be obvious enough without him adding to the racial discussion.

Obama was so successful with that strategy that the republicans had to drag out teh relatively obscure Reverend Wright to make what they felt was a sinister racial connection. It did not work. Obama wisely distanced himself from Wright after he kept talking and seemed to be enjoying his new found fame. It was politically the right move to make. Had he not, he would have been forced to comment on every Wright comment that would come up. Personally, I don't think that Wright said anything racist, but the nature of his rhetoric created an opportunity for Obama's enemies to exploit and misinterpret.

As you will recall, and I think this was a part of the Obama strategy, Jackson and Sharpton were relatively mute during Obama's campaign. Obama did get a little flap though when Farrakhan endorsed him.

Interesting fight.

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Obama is going to win and they are going to lose.

It not enough. We need a super majority.

Obama. Kick out the whatevercrats, only democrats. Lets get the Public Option in.

I think it's safe to say that Obama will lose, and there will be no vacuum felt in his wake nor will there be any regret. The left took its best shot to try and topple the republic and they will lose along with their corruption and deception. Someday you will grow up and realize, until then you will be living in a fog of confusion!

Doc Vega, you are entitled to your opinion. I suggest you might possibly need to check around a little more.

DV -

The left took its best shot to try and topple the republic and they will lose along with their corruption and deception.

Sometimes I think you're just kidding us, and then I shake my head and realize you're serious.

Someday you will grow up and realize, until then you will be living in a fog of confusion!

Yet, you seem to often amuse me with your ironic (IMHO) statements!

Yeah... That's sad, Doc. Make sure to have your meds ready- we don't want your head to explode when Obama is re-elected.

And If he is not re-elected ? What then?

I have seen predictions and threats conspiracy and hyperbole ....

Republican heads might still explode if President Obama is not re-elected,or so I have heard...

There is not. ONE. Candidate that can beat Obama- So... Are you talking about a threat of some kind- on the President's life? Say what you mean?...

Are you talking about a threat of some kind- on the President's life?

NO NO NO .... That would be the worst thing possible for this country... I no matter how much disagree with his policies I wish no harm to President Obama not anyone in the First Family...

I refer to comments around the web and here on the vine that so many on the left will not accept anything but his re-election... And threaten things like riots ...

Think about it... So many people have been told over and over again that he will win and the only way that he can't win is if the election is stolen....

So it will not be to hard to convince them that the election has been stolen were he to lose ...now would it?

And with organization in place across the country like OWS ..How hard will it be to organize all those that now believe that the election was stolen into a nation wide MOB ...

Conspiracy Theory ....sure... is it possible ? You judge!

Your first comment in your reply adds credence to what I just said!

There is not. ONE. Candidate that can beat Obama-

So I ask you were he to lose... Would you accept it as he was beaten fairly or cheated out of the election?

And were he cheated in your mind ...what then might you do?

Say what you mean?...

Now you know PART of what I mean ....

That very unlikely. I don't deal in fantasy- The FACT is- with the way the Teahadists are acting, they are making it a shoe- in. There is no need to deal in "what-if's"

I don't deal in fantasy-

And then you make a both rude and totally unsupported conclusion..

There is no need to deal in "what-if's"

I guess your not much on things like Planning or Strategies then .... being both require extensive amounts of "what-if's" to come to logical conclusions... to predict possible future events or outcomes.

But .....Never mind your "Teahadists" comment puts you in the ...people I don't bother with...category .... You don't "deal in fantasy" yet ...have no problem lowering yourself to play childish name altering games... And to relate fellow Americans with the Jihadists that killed over 3,000 Americans... Says more about you than them ..

Enjoy your day ... Just enjoy it without me .... OK !!!!

I don't deal in fantasy-

However you DO DEAL in hate speech, vicious blanket attacks against entire groups of people and then stand back and cry when someone says something negative about Obama.

Hypocritical to the "Nth" degree.

Both side are guilty of the hate-full rhetoric IMHO and it needs to stop if we are to move on as one country. No matter what the outcome of 2012, whether Obama or some RW NutJob (Sorry, couldn't help myself), the country needs to pull together and move forward as one nation. Unfortunately the vitriolic and hateful nature of the rhetoric will make it difficult but we must rise above the petty crap and look at the long range big picture for the good of our country and those who are left behind when our sorry asses are gone!

Hey Chief

Well said friend and Ya ya get a pass for the dig (RW NutJob) Ya earned it (smiles) ...Voted UP ..

Hey Buddy!

Just had to stick one at ya to keep you on your toes! LOL!

Hey, how about my NY Giants? Those boys just own The Pats!

Both side are guilty of the hate-full rhetoric IMHO and it needs to stop if we are to move on as one country.

Excellent comment Chief, well said indeed!

Bigotry does not allow honest contemplation. President Obama has earned my respect.

He has my respect as well. Although I am not pleased with everything he has or hasn't done, overall I think he has done an excellent job under extremely trying conditions.

No President has faced the kind of mess that Obama stepped into and I think he has handled it with overall good grace and has grown nicely into the position. Yes, grown into it, no one no matter what you think of their qualifications (unless they have served as VP) is ever going to be ready to just sit behind the desk on day one and make everything work. Day one is when you start to really find out just how FUBAR this country really is!