Worst Anti-Obama Sign I've seen

They'd tell you that point is just niggling.

Ooog, Territan! Good (bad) one!

How much longer before re-nig becomes re-nigging, etc.?

That happened the day he was inaugurated, the racist called it "i@!$%#ation day" ...this is just a continuation.

niggling

suprised no one is freakin'out over that word. If they did it would mean they did not know the meaning of the word and were too lazy to look it up.

niggardly / the "N" word are etymologically unrelated.

We're sorry to disappoint you, American Dreams:).

We're not surprised that you are surprised AD..

[Gabby Johnson sees the sheriff riding into town]
Gabby Johnson: Hey! The sheriff's a nig...
[Clock bell chimes]
Harriet Johnson: What did he say?
Dr. Sam Johnson: He said the sheriff's near.
Gabby Johnson: No, gone blame it dang blammit! The sheriff is a nig...
[Clock bell chimes again]

--Blazing Saddles

I'm surprised he doesn't have a gun rack inside his vehicle so he can protect his political sticker.

Why was the license plate # blacked out in the photo? Liberals do not hunt morons and racists. We just wait for their next ignorant, gut-bucket act that proves to the world they're yahoos.

And which group are more likely to collect Darwin Awards?

That phrase always makes me retch, lol.

you know what would be completely comical, if this car was owned by a black person and he was a democrat... that would be hysterical !!!

bigboyj...no...it would not.

Maggie...yes...it would.

SFV...okay, I just don't think it would be at all. Doesn't matter from whom hate is uttered...it's racism and it's just not funny.

this is not a partisan issue. dude (or dudette), is a racist. it is that simple. people trying to guess, which party he is from is nonsensical. those who think it would be funny if it was a democrat vs. a republican befuddle me. there are racists in every group, party, etc. apparently, some do not know this, or they incorrectly believe that some feel there are none in a particular group.

That's a point in favor of such idiotic self-tagging. You can tell the clowns easier when they're in makeup!

An individual who would stoop to this level only telegraphs their ignorance.

It would let me know to steer clear of someone that narrow minded. If I were the oil change specialist or someone at Precision Tune, he'd have to do business elsewhere.

#6:Personally, I'm glad to see him do this n wish those who agree do the same. It makes it easier to point them out when warning the young to steer clear. Kinda like "leaves of three, leave it be."

I "sorta" agree with your comment but I am stilll pondering the possible repercussions; I need minute to marinate on this one.

This case of racism is parallel to that of legalizing marijuana in the United States. I believe that if marijuana is legalized, the urge to smoke it will not be such a magnet (illegality makes some things seem more dangerous, risky and daring, thus "the wish to do it"). I don't know why this is, people perhaps get a thrill out of living dangerously.

The case of rasicm can be seen or taken in the same venue. I have stated here on NV previously and on separate occasions, that I don't understand why racists don't just admit that they are indeed racists.

WE don't care- and it only hurts them--not us. We could care less! They are only humiliating themselves and their families by being this narrow-minded and ignorant. If they were knowingly admitted racists, the only thing would change woud be that no one, except those that are of similar a mindset and behave similarly to them, would want to be around them. That's fine too. We will know that this "group is the racist" group. At least we know who the enemy is and what they look like. They won't be able to hide among us either!

But I think the part that infuriates normal thinking people is that the racists want to pretend they are normal during the "normal times" but as soon as they is a crowd or a mob, you can not beat these cowardly racists behaving like the idiots they are. They need a crowd or a mob to get their point across; they are not man/woman enough to stand up alone =by themselves and away from the crowd= to say what they believe.

Why are they so ashamed to do this?

As another viner the other day stated, "I am sick of calling them cowards, but I don't know what else to call them!"

I don't either! Except racist cowards.

MaryEllenGalloway

Ouch!!!! To the real Republicans, I must ask, "Who let the dogs out?!!!"

This why I accept you as a friend, sight unseen. Your wisdom cannot be overlooked.

I am glad that Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul have had to go further to the right to appease their base voters. That says a lot about who they are appealing to. I honestly hope and pray that these voters are in the minority of those who will be voting in the general election........

I suppose.......there is always hope that the fair-minded true american voters will heed this sort of dogwhistling as a call to rise to the occasion and put a stop to these rightwingers who are driving themselves off the cliff.

Of course, the sad part of it all is that Mitt Romney can't participate on a sane basis. It would surely sound the deathnell for his nomination. Romney is like a ship with no true stern, totally lost at sea, and no one is his party dares to challenge his opponents. It's almost pitiful to watch.

Thanks a heap for your comment.

"dodo @!$%#" -- wonderful; even better than "coprolith."

These people are like incontinent monkeys. "Look at me! I just peed myself, and more! Here, have some!" [throws handful of poo at somebody it doesn't like].

it is now PC to be an intolerant bigot

No, it's not PC, it's just acceptable--actually de rigueur--for rethuglicon/RWNJ rhetoric.

And here they've been denying that race is the reason for their disapproval of Obama...yeah, uh huh...right...sure

I am impressed James, you caught my drift. I didn't think I was that obvious.

I, as you probably know, am less than impressed with the lower evolutionary rungs the dodo @!$%# TParty seems stuck on. Someone should give them a hand-up so they can evolve into a higher life form-hopefully they can/will learn that their grey matter is not just there to fill the empty space between their ears. We can only hope.

As I am on a higher rung, they can throw all the slime and yucky stuff they want, they'll never reach me. :)

Happily-good to see ya this early morning. But, my dear, if you buy that this hate toward Obama is not based on race, I have ocean front property in Ok. I can sell ya cheap.

if you buy that this hate toward Obama is not based on race, I have ocean front property in Ok. I can sell ya cheap.

Oh, not at all, Emma. I've said this is race-based from Day 1, no matter how and how much the right tries to deny it!!!

Emmadadog

Unfortunately, it is now PC to be an intolerant bigot.

They think it's patriotic too. Just like the KKK did, waving the flag as they defiled Pennsylvania Ave in their marches in the good old days. And now we have a deformed political party, once known as the GOP, that embraces the wholesomeness of this fascist ideology.

They think it's patriotic too. Just like the KKK did, waving the flag as they defiled Pennsylvania Ave in their marches in the good old days.

I'm waiting for the defenders to come and say the sign was misread/misunderstood...

It amazes me that all Republicans are racist and all Dems are not. Wow I'm glad you guys made that easy for me. Oh wait darn... I'm Republican and not an ounce of racism in me. I also know quite a few Dems that are racists. I don't think your political beliefs make you a racist or not.

It amazes me that all Republicans are racist and all Dems are not.

Then you are amazed at your own imagination as no one has made such a statement.

I'm Republican and not an ounce of racism in me.

Well, you dance with thems that brought ya. I'm sure this douche doesn't consider himself racist, either. You align yourself with people like this, and a party that STILL uses the southern strategy. A party that is 2% African American.2%. Funny that we see yet another "Isolated Incident" of racial hatred towards the president, and all you can do is try to turn into a lament against Democrats, a party that is over 36% non white, rather than condemn the racist with the racist sign... That speaks volumes more about you than what you actually say about yourself.

It amazes me that all Republicans are racist and all Dems are not.

Then you are amazed at your own imagination as no one has made such a statement.

Look around. Not far either. Just section 7. Right here in front of you.
#7:

Unfortunately, it is now PC to be an intolerant bigot. So much so that it, in the small hate-filled minds of the dodo @!$%# TParty, a badge of honor to be shouted with unwavering pride.

7.2:

No, it's not PC, it's just acceptable--actually de rigueur--for rethuglicon/RWNJ rhetoric.
And here they've been denying that race is the reason for their disapproval of Obama...yeah, uh huh...right...sure

7.5:

And now we have a deformed political party, once known as the GOP, that embraces the wholesomeness of this fascist ideology.

I condemn this racism, and the loser with this sticker may well be a registered Republican, but saying the entire party is about that is unjustified and childish. Up until a couple of months ago, an African-American Republican was running for president. There are many intelligent non-whites who are campaigning against Mr. Obama. The tendency to deflect any and all criticism of the president as racist is a tactic that should embarrass all of us.

Someone should give them a hand-up so they can evolve into a higher life form-hopefully they can/will learn that their grey matter is not just there to fill the empty space between their ears. We can only hope.

I am not optimistic. The rightwing wants to end public education and substitute it with home schools. So much for hoping in future progress.

MartyMoose

...but saying the entire party is about that is unjustified and childish.

I look forward to the day when the so called GOP resurrects itself and attempts to join the family of man again. By the looks of what is passing themselves off as republicans, I don't see any redemption possible. I do however see annihilation of that fascist party. But, as they say, there's always hope. But I doubt it. I stand by my statement.

I just don't believe the political ideology of either party lends itself to racism. For over 100 years, the Democratic Party was the "party of racists," and since the 1960s, it's been the Republicans. This has nothing to do with the parties themselves. It's simply because racists are opportunistic bastards. Everyone in all parties (or even if you're like me and not in a party) need to fight that good fight. I happen to think that summarily and sanctimoniously pointing the finger at a whole political party does more harm than good.

MM:

The problem is when some voters want to be identified with racists because it suits them. President Reagan made this identification abundantly clear in Mississippi when he declared his candidacy, in 1979. It is obvious which party nonwhite voters prefer. The racists will say minorities prefer the Democratic Party because it is the "food stamp" party, right?

It's simply because racists are opportunistic bastards.

yes they are.

Marty: Until the bigwigs of the GOTP start denouncing this type of crap, then they ARE in approval of it. Silence = tolerance, and we've YET seen them do anything other than say "oh, it's only an isolated incident."

ONCE or TWICE are isolated incidences. What we've seen over and over and over again means it is NOT isolated. And some of those who spew this are actually elected GOTP members. If you don't like the GOTP being labeled as racist, take it up with those who are in power in the GOTP and FORCE them to start denouncing it strongly (with REAL apologies, not the "if I offended anyone" copout), and FOCRE those elected GOTP officials who spew this crap to resign. Or wear the racist GOTP label with pride. Those are the options. It's not up to liberals to change your party.

If you don't like the GOTP being labeled as racist

Then stop identifying yourself with it!

Michelle-340891

You said it so well.

Those are the options. It is not up to the liberals to change your party.

Michelle makes THE salient point. Marty Moose ignores the reality that the migration of racists from the democrat side to the republican was by design. The GOP sought out racists, invited them in, encouraged their membership and now - with some exceptions - protects them with any number of denials, deflections and obfuscations. GOP candidates cater to and overtly appeal to bigotry in their campaign speeches, seeking to outduel each other to be seen as grand protector of that which is white, Christian and hetero - in short - "real American". Thus, a soldier gets booed for being gay. A Mexican cannot even risk death in military service in exchange for citizenship. A president is interrupted by a catcall during an address to a joint session of Congress for the first time in history and so-called Christians pray for his death. The First Lady of the United States is depicted as a prostitute and her children are called "ghetto street trash".

The GOP turned itself into a home for racists. It is the GOP that must rid itself of the burden because the GOP created it for itself. Otherwise, the once great Party of Lincoln will go the way of the dinosaur, sinking into the tar pit of bigotry that the party itself has created in its single-minded quest for electoral victory regardless of the long term cost.

Zen...as far as I am aware you will be waiting a long time for that...not a single person I know or have read has shown one ounce of defense for that "thing". On my part when I first read it I thought "Oh NO! You didn't just go there!" I do not understand that kind of thinking at all!

I wonder what you mean by "defense". Here's Simplistic Reality at #1.102, defending it by claiming that it's an unintentional misspelling of "renege":

http://smd12364.newsvine.com/_news/2012/02/21/10465058-worst-anti-obama-sign-ive-seen?threadId=3351069&commentId=62707048#c62696053

sr

wow, just wow.

Not surprised Plants...racism is alive and unfortunately well in America. It's the closet racists that are the most troublesome to me however, probably not as dangerous?

Racism is really bad parenting...

Plantsmantx, there is no defense for the sticker. The sticker buyer bought it on purpose to let the viewers know he was racist. It is not cute or a funny way to let people know how the owner feels. Racism may be dying but it is a long way from being dead.JMO

No, there isn't any defense, but that doesn't stop some people, obviously.

Maggie, I wouldn't be surprised if 800 lb. gorilla's reaction had something to do with "SR's" image as a "reasonable" conservative. Just something else to think about...

plant #7.21

I wonder what you mean by "defense". Here's Simplistic Reality at #1.102, defending it by claiming that it's an unintentional misspelling of "renege":

I went back and re-read SR's post. I still do not see it as him defending it. I see him ignoring (wither by choice or because truly he missed ) the negative play on the word and as he said a common misspelling. He went on to correct the spelling and gave the definition of the differences.

You know as well as many other long time Newsviners that some people are truly bothered by miss-spellings. Many become the infamous Newsvine Spelling Nazis - they totally blow off the context of the message and focus on correcting the spelling errors and mis-used words.

But you believe what you want concerning his intentions, good or bad. I prefer to see it as an honest oversight of the very negative, dark side of the sign. I hate thinking there are more then one fool out there who thinks the sticker is funny or acceptable by a majority of other Americans. Life when viewed throgh rose colored glasses can be pretty nce.

I still do not see it as him defending it.

Ok:).

face/palm

Plants...off topic...but every time I see your name I think of my favorite singer...lol.

Plantsmantx...Plantsmantx....a singer....

Ah-I think. Robert Plant?:)

Yes :)

I thought I was going to drive myself to distraction by trying to figure out who you meant, then...it popped into my head, LOL.

I've loved Robert's music since I was a kid. I like his new stuff too.

i like early plant, post zepplin.

oh, and zepplin. of course, i like led zepplin.

I liked Band of Joy...was an amazing concert here in LA

I think non-violent solutions are better. A more fitting punishment would be mixed-race grandchildren to help him/her overcome his/her mental-disorder.

#8.1 -

I have personally witnessed the very scenario that you have described, It works !

That old man loves that grand-baby more than his own kids.

100 non-racist republicans

I bet that is all there is, too.

I'm certain there are more than that. They're doing themselves a terrible disservice by not speaking up, though.

Gotta wonder why they're being quiet. They're not afraid of the derp golem, are they?

#9.2:They're doing themselves a terrible disservice by not speaking up, though.

Totally agree with you. I wonder why they are remaining quiet-also!

Because theres no point in responding to this.

No matter what the response, all of you Lefties are like Parrots when it comes to this.

If they respond to it, you'll just say, "Your only saying that because it looks good".

If they don't respond, than you say "See, their all racist".

O'h, and more thing. I'm assuming that everybody who votes for Obama is also a Racist? Against white people? I am against Obama, (And i'm not Republican) so according to pretty much all of you that automatically makes me a Racist.

It couldn't possibly be because...wow, I disagree with him!

No, it couldn't possibly be that. It has to be Racism! It has to be!

Race is nothing more than a weapon you people use with impunity. It's your answer to everything. When in doubt, make it a race issue!

Well, I've got news for all you people. Some of us damn sure don't care about your bull@!$%# or the light you wish to cast us in. Call me Racist all you want. You say it as if I care about your opinion or your feelings about me.

I am against Obama. I don't like his Policies or Beliefs and it is that simple. To me, thats the American way. The right to disagree without persecution. To you people, being Anti Obama is racism. The very concept that you could be wrong is beyond you, so we have to be racist.

Whatever.

Not all of us believe that anyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist, but there are some, and unfortunately, some of them have loud voices.

My husband is one of the best people I know. He is not a racist in any way, shape or form. But he doesn't agree with a lot of what President Obama does. He will find the picture as offensive as I do.

No, it couldn't possibly be that. It has to be Racism! It has to be!

I predict the very real possibility that they are doing more harm then good to his campaign because the majority of people are tired of being told that they are a racist if they disagree with him and his policies.

I am tired of seeing the word racist used everytime someone says anything in this country about a minority. If you oppose illegal immigration, you're a racist, if you oppose Obama, you're a racist, if you're a Conservative, you're a racist. The majority of Liberals on Newsvine have NO other argument in their debates other then "you're a racist", it's childish and immature.

O'h, and more thing. I'm assuming that everybody who votes for Obama is also a Racist?

Are you assuming that?

Not all of us believe that anyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist

Most of us don't believe that but some people need to pretend that's the case. It's how they rationalize their resentments.

Many people are defending the racism of that bumper sticker. Most are attempting to do it obliquely, but they're transparent.

Whatever.

The hit dog hollers:).

I predict the very real possibility that they are doing more harm then good to his campaign because the majority of people are tired of being told that they are a racist if they disagree with him and his policies.

Exactly. And that is my dearest wish on this issue. You can only play one card so many times before it comes back to bite you on the ass. I know that personally, i'm sick and tired of it. To me, the Left's current tactics are nothing more than Racial Intimidation tactics.....

Race is nothing more than a weapon you people use with impunity.

hilarious! who are you people? can you list all of the names of the people in this group? do they all look alike, and talk alike, as well?

this is why the vine is dying.

Well, rightists were pretending that all liberals were calling everyone who criticized Obama a racist during the 2008 campaign. It didn't keep him from being elected then. I don't see it keeping from reelected.

To me, the Left's current tactics are nothing more than Racial Intimidation tactics.....

That's some projection right there. The goal of pretending that people are calling any and all criticism of Obama racist is to try to intimidate them into not calling out any criticism of Obama as racist- even when it is. Why? Well, because they condone and encourage that racism, and want to see it practiced with impunity. It's nothing new. It's just that this variation is directed at one black person rather than black people in general, which is how that transparent game is usually played.

800lb Gorilla:

You, for one. (And the 'Vine is dying because of people like you who want to Preach your rhetoric, but then get offended when you don't get the response you want. And if you don't like it, than leave. It's not a difficult concept)

And roughly 90% of the Left, give or take a few points.

Hell, if you want, I'll list the names just on this posting alone. Calling every Anti Obama person a racist is all you ever do. It's your answer to everything.

Personally, I could give a damn less. I am Anti Obama and although I personally think it's fruitless, I have donated money to freakin' Republicans just out of spite for all you people who have decided to label everybody who is Anti Obama a racist.

(And no, I am not a Republican. I wouldn't vote for one of them either.)

And yes, I do think it's a fruitless gesture. Obama will be re-elected. But he is not my President and he does not have my support. Nor will he ever.....

The right to disagree

Agreed...

without persecution.

No. You get the right to disagree...but not to determine how people respond to your disagreement.

And, it seems the fact that people who dare to voice support for BO...or his policies/positions/ect...no matter how flaccid...are often persecuted by those on "the right"... has somehow escaped you.

Constantly being called an Obamabot bootlicker...or a Marxist worshiping at the alter of Barry the Messiah isn't the same as being called a racist..but it isn't exactly a compliment either.

Funny thing is...I've criticized BO's campaign methods and promises...his support of the auto bailout...his handling of the HCR...his re-authorization of the Patriot Act...his extension of the Bush tax-cuts...his on-going obsession w/ bi-partisanship...the fact that his administration has not been as "transparent" as promised...the fact that virtually no one has been prosecuted for the economic collapse...among other issues.

Yet...I've never been accused of racism or being a racist.

Funny thing is...I've criticized BO's campaign methods and promises...his support of the auto bailout...his handling of the HCR...his re-authorization of the Patriot Act...his extension of the Bush tax-cuts...his on-going obsession w/ bi-partisanship...the fact that his administration has not been as "transparent" as promised...the fact that virtually no one has been prosecuted for the economic collapse...among other issues.

Ditto! Obama hasn't been the end all of politicians and hasn't done everything I would have liked and I have said so also, without being called a racist.

Hmmmmm, maybe it's just a democrat thing or perhaps how the message is conveyed has something to do with it? s/

svf

Calling every Anti Obama person a racist is all you ever do. It's your answer to everything.

this is why i love debating people like you. you make it too easy. i do not throw around the term, racist, lightly. however, there are those who have come here, and flung hate around like poo. these people are racists. the sticker is a racist piece of garbage. the owner may be a racist piece of garbage, but if not, then wtf? they have to know that it is there, and they know what it means.

when you put words in other people's mouths, or say they do things, which they do not, or make false blanket generalizations, then you have lost the debate. do better.

Personally, I could give a damn less. I am Anti Obama and although I personally think it's fruitless, I have donated money to freakin' Republicans just out of spite for all you people who have decided to label everybody who is Anti Obama a racist.

one of my brothers is heavily anti-obama, and i believe that he is in no way, shape, or form, a racist. misguided? yes. racist? no. this one example negates your whole statement. post facts, please.

The very fact that people are even having such a conversation is proof enough that Obama's race is a major factor to a whole lot of folks.

Don't recall such issues being bandied about with any of our former presidents.

One of my brothers is heavily anti-obama, and i believe that he is in no way, shape, or form, a racist. misguided? yes. racist? no. this one example negates your whole statement. post facts, please.

is that like the I'm not racist some of my best friends are black quote. just joking with you.

i will not say it does not happen on my side of the fence but go back and look the comments on this vine on how many labeled every conservative a racist because of this one person. Obviously not to the same level but isn't it in the same ballpark when you label a whole group something because of one persons actions.

blanket generalizations are patently false. and yet, we keep seeing them over and over here.

Agreed; hence my "Would be nice to purge the dumbasses" phrase.

Regards,

random' - Please read #1.11 and tell me how there can be 100 non-racist republicans total, let alone 100 for every 1 who is.

Every Republican candidate for president, even Huntsman, expressed bigotry and hate during the campaign. Everyone of them has used the code words that right wingers love so much. . . and God knows that virtually every right wing media type fills the airways nightly with coded hate words. On a "good" night they don't bother with code.

Every Republican candidate for president, even Huntsman, expressed bigotry and hate during the campaign. Everyone of them has used the code words that right wingers love so much. . . and God knows that virtually every right wing media type fills the airways nightly with coded hate words. On a "good" night they don't bother with code.

How true. It seems that the GOP are trying to turn this election into an Obama vs White people issue with each " casual utterance " in the press. The code words are there and not well hidden. He's anti Christian, anti " American " ( with the assumption that one would have to be white to be a true American ). The atmosphere is already poisoned, because the candidates are carefully selecting their code words so that they fool an unsuspecting public. Race is, has been and will always be the main factor in this election. It was with McCain who was astonished he could be defeated by one of " them " and the entire GOP seems to be staking their reputation and future on insuring that one of " THEM " is kicked out of the White House where he doesn't belong unless he's serving dinner.

Ok folks how about this....Herman Cain?????? And I know of lots of RACIST Republicans that were pushing for him for President.

yeah.

whatever.

He's "the black guy" that they all have as their imaginary "friend"

#10.3: It seems that the GOP are trying to turn this election into an Obama vs White people issue with each " casual utterance " in the press. The code words are there and not well hidden. He's anti Christian, anti " American " ( with the assumption that one would have to be white to be a true American ). The atmosphere is already poisoned, because the candidates are carefully selecting their code words so that they fool an unsuspecting public. Race is, has been and will always be the main factor in this election. It was with McCain who was astonished he could be defeated by one of " them " and the entire GOP seems to be staking their reputation and future on insuring that one of " THEM " is kicked out of the White House where he doesn't belong unless he's serving dinner.

I am so happy that more people, like you, are seeing the repugs for what they are: a group of greedy, racist, narcissist people who feel that they are superior to others- and therefore should rule over others.

I am also happy that you see the picture for what truly is the only way they can win: divide and conquer.

Thankfully, those days are over and never shall be again - if Americans do what they are supposed to do and vote these scalawags out of office permanently in the next upcoming election.

I am set to do my part. I have voted for over 45 years and plan to continue. I vote in every election, be it by absentee ballot or otherwise.

And I know of lots of RACIST Republicans that were pushing for him for President.

I don't doubt that a lot of racist Republicans were pushing for him for President.

Ok folks how about this....Herman Cain?????? And I know of lots of RACIST Republicans that were pushing for him for President.

First...exactly how do you "know of" these hoards of "RACIST Republicans"?

Second, didn't Mr. Cain blame Rick "@!$%#head" Perry for leaking the sexual harassment claims that helped undermined his campaign?

Seems at least one "RACIST Republican"...wasn't "pushing for him to be President".

She's on your side, Widewillie. She was being sarcastic, and implying that it would be impossible for a white person to support Cain and be racist. You know- she applied the ol' "Appeal to Melanin" meme.

I love how the race card people want to just pretend Herman Cain was some kind of anomaly or ploy. Maybe he's the great grandson of Al Jolson and he's just performing in black face. I guess the same is true of the last two Republican Secretaries of State.

Ok folks how about this....Herman Cain?????? And I know of lots of RACIST Republicans that were pushing for him for President.

Herman Cain represents " My kind of negro " , the kind who will shut up and do as he's told, one who also, like Clarence Thomas, resents the black skin he's in. He's no threat to the GOP, who knew that he would implode eventually.

Self loathing blacks aren't that rare. The GOP seems to find them all of the time.

Ok, you answered him:)

She's on your side, Widewillie. She was being sarcastic,

Damn you hard to identify written word sarcasm...you fooled me again! (**shakes fist**)

Thanks Plantsman!

I am beginning to think that Herman Cain was sort of like a placebo candidate for conservatives to say, "Hey look..."etc..

I think so, too. And once they did that, they had no more use for him:).

Maggie, you're being too politically correct. You're right, Cain was the candidate that the GOP mAsses could point to and say, " See , we ain't racist, we done went out and bought our own Negro "." Ours is better than yours cause he's a Real American negro, unlike the African Hybrid Muslim you guys got. We own the real thing" . Cain was just one of those things that happened. He's of the Thoman/Keyes mold, that he despises himself and any one else who is black, because he can't be what he longs to be.

There. I said it.

And this posting proves the point I made up above.

No matter what republicans do, you people call it a ploy.

So they should respond to this type of nonsense why? No answer given will be okay to you people. No matter what, YOU will not give up the race card.

And the reason is simple.

It's the only card you have to play, unless you are capable of supporting yourself.....

No matter what republicans do, you people call it a ploy.

you people should quit posting blanket generalizations, which are false.

well, i guess it is your right to spout garbage posts over and over, if that is what you wish to do. why would you wish to show everyone your lack of understanding of the english language, or basic debate, or common decency, though?

Nice spin... you should apply for a talking head position with the lame stream media.

Possible re-reg sighting in post #11.

Do not feed.

actually the sign is more than likely a photoshop, or, even more likely, some way out leftist made the sign put the pic on facebook, to try and gin up hate at republicans, and it seems to be working.

Just for laughs, I went online and searched for that sticker. Within seconds I had at least three sources.

Looks like it wasn't "some leftist" who "made the sign."

We await your apology JustenO, which I'm sure you'll make right after you buy a dozen of them.

already reported, dwillie

jwc-

I'll take your word for it, I've seen stuff like that for sale.

you have my apology.

btw, I do have an "Impeech obama" sticker on my truck, but I'd never put somthing like that on my truck.

re reg?

pretty sure I didn't post anything that violates the code of honor, you need to try a little better than that.

Justen O , even your tone betrays your prejudice. Impeach Obama for what ? You do know what the criteria is, don't you ? CRIMES, felonies or HIGH misdemeanors ?

Having a high MELANIN content in his skin doesn't qualify, neither does " Because Rush, Bill, Glenn and and them said so ".

Thank God we are a nation of LAWS which over ride the prevailing IGNORANCE of a vast majority of its people.

Is 'impeech' spelled correctly on your bumper sticker... or does spelling even matter anymore? Is your point in misspelling impeech to let us know how bright the bulbs are that are looking for new leadership?

JustenO

btw, I do have an "Impeech obama" sticker on my truck,

Lol...of course you do! Is that an example of public schooling, home schooling or none of the above?

I'm actually suprised that we got all the way to post #11 before someone tried to make the "liberal conspiracy" arguement.

Don't blame me, it's a liberal democrat that has said publicly that he committed an "impeachable" offense when he violated the war powers act.

public schooling, spelling was one of the classes that got shortend all the time when the Minnesota Education Association always voted to go on strike.



That's too bad.

I went to public school as well (in Chicago), and I somehow managed to get that "elitist, liberal" education where they teach you how to read and write properly...

wow, so you're gonna blame your inability to spell on someone else... so predictable. Note that 'impeech' gets that funny red line beneath it when you type it... that means you've spelled it wrong... or did your MN public schooling also make you color blind? I seriously doubt that your schools had a 'spelling class'... you sir are just not credible.

actually, I don't get that red line, but who cares, I just don't pay much attn to my spelling, or typos, don't really care.

but, feel free to make my spelling your big talking point, seeing how you can't keep up with me on the real debate.

making personal attacks is a sure sign you lost whatever arguement you were in.

I just don't pay much attn to my spelling, or typos, don't really care.

And that, JustenO, is the problem. Don't be so agreeable to being dumbed down.

actually the sign is more than likely a photoshop, or, even more likely, some way out leftist made the sign put the pic on facebook, to try and gin up hate at republicans, and it seems to be working.

You miss the point when you base your argument on the "reality" of the evidence; rather than, the possibility there is racism against the President.

To whose advantage is this bumper sticker? Is there an advantage to a non-racist who conjures a racist "photoshop" attack on the President because it casts dispersions on all republicans as "racists"? Maybe, in the context of the the last administration this makes sense, but not during this one.

The most likely and only commonsensical explanation is the sticker belongs to a racist who is calling out to like-minded racists: "Fear not, I am driving ahead with my racist assault on the President; all who are inspired by it, follow my racist lead."

Interesting, how convenient it is explaining away things with contempt for the evidence and a patented but predictable conspiracy theory. It must really be painful caught in the proverbial "clothes ringer."

Unless you believe that conspiracy theories provide a sound basis for explaining what you are incapable of or unwilling to understand?

Those who call themselves "Tea Party Patriots"; it is hard not choking on your euphemistic misappropriation and misrepresentation of our national heritage with your so clearly defined racial motives. "Disgust" for you is too kind.

Actually, JustenO, you have it right when you say:

anyway, whoever did this is twisted.

You are right here because it is "beneath your contempt" that such blatant racism is targeted at the President of the United States of America!

"Is there an advantage to a non-racist who conjures a racist (attack)"

Well Richard...don't forget that white young republican bitch that carved BO (backwards) into her face and said some black guys did it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1080189/Young-Republican-claimed-Obama-supporter-carved-letter-B-face-robbery-story-police-say.html

AL:

I see your point, and you remind me of Linda Blair's spinning head in the Excorcist. (My metaphor for the racist's sophistry.) Although your example is more recent, it is more characteristic of the Bush administration's sophomoric strategizing and its modus operandi than our own.

It is difficult for me to accept that a supporter of the President wants all republicans denigrated as "racists" because it serves a social agenda. Many of us pine for the return of our "old republican colleagues."

The problem with the rightwing is it is walking right up to the checkout counter and buying its lunatic rhetoric in bulk; and here on the Vine, we are just reporting what we are seeing. But the racists want to brand us by calling "foul," or we are "crying wolf."

We are not talking about brain surgery here; all that is necessary for interpreting the rightwing is basic literacy and some cultural knowledge.

JustenO " I just don't pay much attn to my spelling, or typos, don't really care."

Then why take the time and trouble to blame your mistakes on the public school system. They can't help students who don't care...

but, feel free to make my spelling your big talking point, seeing how you can't keep up with me on the real debate.

reveling in your illiteracy is nothing to be proud of. You already lost the big debate, which is why I'm just trying to see if your loss was due to a lack of logic or total ignorance... I think we can make that call now.

My GOD...One person makes a comment @ #11 you don't inherently like and it has HORRORS a typo in it. Here it is 19 replies later and you are still playing Spelling Nazi and attacking him on a personal level. It's like watching a shark feeding frenzy start on a person who waded into the water with a bleeding cut.

Examples:

#11.15 : And that, JustenO, is the problem. Don't be so agreeable to being dumbed down.

#11.18: Those who call themselves "Tea Party Patriots"; it is hard not choking on your euphemistic misappropriation and misrepresentation of our national heritage with your so clearly defined racial motives. "Disgust" for you is too kind.

#11.19 : reveling in your illiteracy is nothing to be proud of. You already lost the big debate, which is why I'm just trying to see if your loss was due to a lack of logic or total ignorance... I think we can make that call now.

AD

At the risk of you labeling me a Number Nazi...the typo in question was contained in #11.5 not #11.

And, the response to the typo did not occur in a vacuum.

When a poster starts w/ a speculative assertion...which is almost immediately disproven...and then openly supports impeaching the POTUS ...but can't manage to spell "impeach" correctly...it undermines the poster's credibility...and tends to draw a snarky response.

And, when that poster goes on to blame the teacher's union for his typo ...then claims he doesn't care about typos...it tends to prolong the snarky response.

Yes, it is a bit like a shark feeding frenzy. But when a swimmer doesn't have the good sense to stay out of shark infested waters when bleeding...it's hardly fair to blame the sharks for their response.

Lastly, I might point out that it's a bit counter-intuitive to assail other posters for "attacking him on a personal level"...while referring to those same posters as, "Nazis".

None of us are perfect, not everyone excels at writing. In my case I transpose numbers BFD and did not catch it. A simple remark of "hey AD do you mean #11.5?" without the snarkiness would have been less confrontational.

Spelling Nazi is a common term used in newsvine to refer to people who are focus on another Viners typos to the point of excluding all other matters concerning the message posted. These people do not take into consideration wither the person who committed the "egregious" sin of making a spelling error has a LD, has a physical limitation that makes typing difficult or was simply in a rush to post a comment before they had to rush out the door for work, school or a date and did not catch the error. You don't know the limitation / challenegs the other poster faced when composing a comment. Compassion seems to be generally lacking with several people in this crowd.

Spelling errors do not make the person's POV less worthy of voicing then then anyone else. It does not mean the person is ill-educated, ignorant or stupid.t would be wrong to ridicule her the same way that people are going after the poster in #11.

I have a nearly 29 year old daughter who can not spell or write a single paragraph without a glaring amount of spelling and grammatical errors. She has brain damage caused by seizures...her mind simply does not see the errors or missing words. What she lacks in grammer and writing she makes up for in other areas of her life. It would be just as wrong to ridicule her as it is for people are going after the poster in #11.

see I committed a sin of screwing up an edit of my last post. Break out the Webster and hit me with it. Guess that proves your point that I am a horrible, ignorant and hypocritical person. Oh the shame of it! the shame! No matter, I will live to typo another day!

My parents raised me in the tradition of folks judging the value of other folks on the basis of their spoken and written word (you know, a man is only as good as his word). If you cannot use words properly to communicate, then you will be judged harshly, either here on Newsvine or elsewhere. Finally, the issue for me was someone who thinks they know enough about our politics to think the president should be impeached (just more bat@!$%# crazy when you boil it down), yet can't even spell impeach... as I noted before, NOT CREDIBLE.

AD

I truly empathize with the struggles your daughter faces. I wish her well..and wish you (and everyone else who aids her in her struggles) strength and patience.

As for the balance of your posts...while I'm tempted to directly retort the content point-by-point...it's better that I abstain. If you thought I was snarky and confrontational before...you'd find me downright combative and nasty at this point.

I'll simply say that next time you're tempted to lecture others about how they don't "know the limitations / challenges of the other poster"...you'd be wise to heed your own advice! You don't know me. If you did...you'd understand exactly how insulting and patronizing your words are.

Good day AD.

Matthew

You and I are a vanishing breed who beleive a man/woman is only as good as his word. But this could be an entire topic and lets not derail.

IMO its a rather harsh declaration on your part to condemn a person for a typo. I was also raised to think it is important to be both well spoken and write well. But I also know and take into consideration that typos happen. It's a natural "by product" of thinking faster then your fingers can keep up.

In my case, I can be THE Typo Queen as Parkinson's can makes my fingers totally miss a key I intended to hit and hit another. Or I may double or triple strike keys. On bad days I may even hit a key four or five times so I have to go back and correct it. And I don't always catch every typo. The occasional spelling error I make is not always caught by Spell check. (Spell check is not that reliable.) Typos and spelling errors do not make my comments, or those by another poster, any less of valuable as a result.

I would suggest that you lighten up on the spelling issues of others. It's Newsvine, nothing earth shattering will occur becasue of typos and spellling errors.

PS: I also think some of Obama's actions are worthy of "impeechment" investigation at the very least. But he is the Teflon President so nothing will stick to him. ;-)

As soon as we bring Bush / Cheney up for war crimes, we can talk about 'impeechment' worthy actions on the part of Obama. My family suffers from severe dyslexia, but I tell my kids that folks don't care about your hurdles, but rather how you address them. My kids write in MSWord and it does a fine job of dealing with most of the issues... again, and finally, I am usually not a spelling freak, but to couple the suggestion that the POTUS should be impeached with piss poor communication skills was a 1, 2 punch that I could not resist. Much like the several posts I have on this seed asking folks who call Obama 'the worst' or 'horrible' to give a description of W as a comparison. Oddly, none of those hyperbole wielding folks have taken up my challenge...

I believe that we will both be LONG gone before the leaders of the world unite (if ever) and demand Bush /Cheney to be brought up on war crimes.

Like many buzz words and hot topic terms "War Crimes" is bantered about but most people do not understand what a real war crime is.

Bing Dictionary defines it as a crime during war: a crime committed during wartime that is in violation of international agreements concerning the conventions of war, e.g. the mistreatment of prisoners or genocide ( often used in the plural )

Wikipedia offers these examples of war crimes: conduct include "murder, the ill-treatment or deportation of civilian residents of an occupied territory to slave labor camps", "the murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war", the killing of prisoners, "the wanton destruction of cities, towns and villages, and any devastation not justified by military, or civilian necessity".

I see nothing of their actions that truly meets or exceeds the definition of a true war crime. Yes, their actions were not popular in hindsight. As for the cries of he took us to war against our wills . pfffft. He had the "blessing" and vote of confidence from members of Congress on both sides of the aisle. (That kind of voids the war criminal charges, imo.)

you'd find me downright combative and nasty at this point.

Exactly why I have had to ignore all of that one... adhering to the CoH starts with oneself...

Bing Dictionary defines it as a crime during war: a crime committed during wartime that is in violation of international agreements concerning the conventions of war, e.g. the mistreatment of prisoners or genocide ( often used in the plural )

And since soldiers have been tried and convicted in the past for the same "enhanced interrogation techniques" used by the Bush/Cheney regime, that would qualify them for trial as war criminals.

Thanks Tim. That was the trap I set, but I wasn't around to spring it. You filled in nicely. AD, now you need to chew your leg off and slink away...

Hate to disappoint you two, Tim / matt...I am still here and I will not slink away. i will leave when I am ready and on my own terms...thank you very much.

Discussions of this topic with you two is going nowhere. You go right on believing what you want. I have others things to do. You don't like my POV that's fine. I'm not going be losing sleep over it.

And since soldiers have been tried and convicted in the past for the same "enhanced interrogation techniques" used by the Bush/Cheney regime, that would qualify them for trial as war criminals.

Clearly Bush and Cheny do not meet international guidelines for War Criminals . If they did I have no doubt with as much animosity displayed towards them for what ever reason, real or fictional) the UN or other Internationalbody of justice would have tried them both in absentia. To my knowledge this has not happened nor will it happen anytime soon.

Bush and Cheny may not be on the top 10 list of the best President / Vice-President in the US but they are not at the bottom either. Time will tell where Obama falls in the listing. He and Bush have things they should be required to explain, IMO.

Further discussions of this topic with you two is going nowhere. You don't like my POV that's fine. I'm not going be losing sleep over it. You go right on believing what you want. I have others things to do. And besides, the Bush Cheny War Criminal topic is not what Sophie's article is about.

the side-track was all you AD, you agreed that the current potus had committed impeachable offenses. When challenged, you have nothing. The challenge was as empty as your POV...

Sophie...please remove #11.34 I went to edit it and somehow the edit did not come through...my finger twitched and hit the wrong mouse button.

I wrote: Getting back on topic: We have 8 months to go before the election, Things are going to get pretty heated up and far more ugly then that bumper sticker. And seeing how ugly the sticker is it makes me want to build a bomb shelter and hunker down.

build a bomb shelter and hunker down.

i hope that it does not come to that. i do not care much, but for my son, there should be a world left when he grows up. it would be nice if he can go to school, get a job, just as we did before him. we shall see.

How do you know the owner of the vehicle is Republican or is even registered to vote?

Why does it matter? They still make the inevitable changes harder for everyone to endure.

The last thing this society needs is an intransigent throwing lit matches into a gasoline stream.

The plate is covered. 25% of voters are so frustrated they don't even bother to register.

The plate is covered because it would be a violation of law to post the person's license plate on the internet. If anyone who decided to track this guy down using his LP and do them harm the person who posted the plate would be to blame.

Zen: Then again, it doesn't stop anti-choice wackjobs from posting doctors' home addresses and phone numbers (AND where their kids go to school, I might add) on their "wanted posters." They never seem to be prosecuted for the domestic terrorism they perpetrate, so I'm wondering how it could be justified to prosecute anyone who posted a plate number?

Not that I think anyone should, mind you. Just food for thought.

I'll go for " Puttzies " sounds like well, you know.

#13.1:I'll go for " Puttzies " sounds like well, you know.

No, never would have thought of it! s/

sorry, you fail.

unless you don't think that me calling who did this "twisted" is condemnation of the act?

Thus far, looks like those republicans who have written on this thread have condemned the sign and the attitude it represents.

I'm a Tea Party member, I could type on this board all day long that this sign is horrible, but nobody would believe me.

DNFTT

. . . but they haven't condemned their 'party leaders' and the attitude they represent. . . and they are one and the same.

I'm a Tea Party member, I could type on this board all day long that this sign is horrible, but nobody would believe me.

Give it a try and let's see ...

That sign is horrible.

Ron-

the difference is, you guys see racism in everything conservative, everything the right does out of disagreement with obama's policies is somhow turned into a race issue by the left.

Please re-read 14.4.

he difference is, you guys see racism in everything conservative, everything the right does out of disagreement with obama's policies is somhow turned into a race issue by the left.

There's certainly no truth to that statement.

The problem the right has is there is nothing they can complain about that President Obama is doing.
And that's because President Obama is succeeding with NO help from the right.

So the right resorts to fabrications and revisionism, which then reveals the true nature, what is at the root, of the problem.

DNFTT

Or use the Ignore this Author option...it makes it easier!

Dear Justen, RE #14.7 - You are perfectly welcome to post any and all 'conservative' disagreements with the president's policies if you like. I would love to see them.

I'm a former conservative who finally left the Republican Party after 45 years. The last twenty or so I was one of the ones who were trying to fight the take-over of the party by the despicable types (neo-cons, bigots, low-functioning extremists) now in charge, and to actually keep supporting some semblance of workable conservative policies*. On the day GWB took us into Iraq I admitted my failure and left the party for good. Many others like me were smarter and left before that day.

*Conservative policies that are no longer supported by the right wing only because President Obama (liberal, socialist???) put them in place or supports them. Just a couple: Health care insurance mandate, cap and trade.

except that nobody ever heard of cap and trade and health ins. mandates before obama came to office. That might make somone nieve, but it doesn't mean they still don't agree with the concept.

Dear Blue in OH-

feel free to put me on ignore, I imagine you put anyone who doesn't march in lockstep with your opinion on ignore.

Apparently Justen you have not paid attention to the policies of your conservative party which is classic of the tea party folk. The background on the two conservative concepts that were around long before President Obama took office. First the mandate idea goes back more than twenty years.

The concept of the individual health insurance mandate is considered to have originated in 1989 at the conservative Heritage Foundation. In 1993, Republicans twice introduced health care bills that contained an individual health insurance mandate. Advocates for those bills included prominent Republicans who today oppose the mandate including Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Robert Bennett (R-UT), and Christopher Bond (R-MO). In 2007, Democrats and Republicans introduced a bi-partisan bill containing the mandate.

The cap and trade idea was conceived during the Reagan administration and actually, in part, put into place during George HW Bush's administration. The restoration of the high lakes in the Adirondacks can be directly traceable to that cap and trade policy. Jack Kemp was a major proponent of cap and trade.

BTW - There are dozens more conservative ideas that this president has put into place or proposed. He is anything but the left wing extremist that the tea party claims he is. You can choose to be "naive" if you want but don't expect any credibility with your arguments if you have absolutely no clue about the facts. And lacking the facts, your argument that tea partiers dislike the president because of his policies is assuming that the rest of us are "naive".

Care to tell me again why you oppose President Obama.

except that nobody ever heard of cap and trade and health ins. mandates before obama came to office.

What about the decades of both in all the other developed countries, where public education is beating our best private education by miles.

except that nobody ever heard of cap and trade and health ins. mandates before obama came to office. That might make somone nieve, but it doesn't mean they still don't agree with the concept.

JustenO, just because you never heard of cap and trade before Obama doesn't mean that "nobody" ever heard of it.

Are you aware that cap & trade was how unleaded gas was phased out?

Better still, some of the biggest foes of cap&trade were for it long before they were against it. http://grist.org/politics/2010-06-29-remember-when-republicans-liked-cap-and-trade/

Cap and trade is still a great idea, and the Republican lies about it may have changed your mind, but they don't change the facts!

honestly, ok.

I sincerly believe he wants the United States to be a communist nation. The reason I think that is due to the people who raised him, and due to the people he said in his book that he gravitated towards, and felt comfortable around.

Thus far, looks like those republicans who have written on this thread have condemned the sign and the attitude it represents.

Both of you?

wow.

They're just coming out in droves, huh?

I sincerly believe he wants the United States to be a communist nation. The reason I think that is due to the people who raised him, and due to the people he said in his book that he gravitated towards, and felt comfortable around.

Justen, I really do feel bad for you that you believe this way because there is absolutely no evidence that would indicate that President Obama wants us to be a communist nation. None.

Clearly your sources of information are devoid of facts.

The president was raised by a loving, well educated, mother whose only fault would be that she cared "too much" about poor women in poor countries, and his maternal grandparents. . . a WWII vet who worked hard all his life and his wife who worked her way up to be VP of the local bank. They made sure that he got a good education in a prestigious school that was the start of Obama going onto good universities based on his academic acheivements and not any minority status.

If you are talking about William Ayers as the type of people Obama gravitates towards, you are just spouting the typical right wing rhetoric. When Obama met Ayers, Obama was working on improving the schools in Chicago and Ayers was a respected college professor who was involved in education reform. Obama and Ayers were both connected with foundations that were trying to change and improve education systems. Both foundations were funded by conservative families by the way.

Also, and I find this extremely funny; it was Ayers' book on educating children who had been involved with the court system that was a major source of George W. Bush's compassionate conservatism when he was governor of Texas. Some of Bush's speeches were practically plagerized from Ayer's book! But you'll never hear 'compassionate conservatives' admit to that.

If you have some other (credible) information that points to President Obama wanting our nation to be communist I would be happy to look at it.

JustenO

I sincerly believe he wants the United States to be a communist nation. The reason I think that is due to the people who raised him, and due to the people he said in his book that he gravitated towards, and felt comfortable around.

I'm not going to call you simple minded and are prone to ridiculous assertions just yet. Please, specificly what has he said or wrote that would make you believe that...

Ron, I noticed that JustenO based his post purely on his opinions. I bet he didn't read Obama's books at all for if he had, he would have gleaned that Our President was so proud of America and the opportunities & chances that it afforded him. He realized that his upbringing was dysfunctional to say the least, but because he lived in America, he could overcome that and succeed. But looking at poor Justen's spelling, tells me that he did not. That is usually the case for most disgruntled, angry and bitter people in America. They blame everyone but themselves.

no, I have not read it, I have no intrest in reading anything he's wrote, but if you google "Dreams of my father quotes", I'm sure you'll find it.

@ Lynn

my spelling may be bad, but, I am not angry, bitter, or disgrunled, and I really don't have anything to blame on somone else atm.

but if you google "Dreams of my father quotes", I'm sure you'll find it.

...remember that SScott guy?:). Yeah, I'm sure that if I Googled that, I'd find the source he used to paste all the time:).

Justen thats what happens when you let the likes of Jerome Corsi do your thinking for you...

Ahem:).

JustenO, I own all three of his books and that is how many he has written not just one. That is also where he gets alot of his wealth. If you would take the time to read and not just watch those on FAUX NOISE you might learn something and educate yourself to facts. Until then you have opinions to post, and we all have those right along with a**holes.

except signs like this have been around for eons.

a town down the road from me just got rid of a sign they had out on a public road that read "Negros, don't let the sun go down on you in this town".

except it wasn't phrased that nicely.

Racism is alive and well in the United States, and it's not reserved for Republicans only.

Racism is alive and well in the United States, and it's not reserved for Republicans only.

Of course it is ... but it is also "alive and well" in countries where significant population diversity has been in place far longer than here (e.g., Israel/Palestine).

But the gears of change are turning, and nothing can stop it.

The best we can do is hope we don't see signs of this type 100 years from now .... but don't bet on it!

take things out of context much?

read too much into things do you?

it's like I said, the left will take any statement or action by the right and say it's racism.

so, thinking obama might not actually be an American citizen is racist, really?

got news for you, no, it's not.

#14.4

so, thinking obama might not actually be an American citizen is racist, really?

Yes, it is ...

Did you question the citizenship of any other President in history?

Do you question the citizenship of any member of Congress - on either side of the Aisle?

How about your neighbors .... or your fellow workers/students ...

Justen,

We, or rather, I, could add on to this. Like the McCain/Palin Supporter who FALSELY said that she was robbed at an ATM by two black Obama Supporters and wrote a backward "B" on her face.

There have been a significant number of town hall events where you have GOP/TP constituents who have asked when will somebody assassinate him, and while we're on the subject of town hall rallies, these SAME constituents showed up ARMED to the teeth during the HCR debates.

Then, you have Michele Bachmann, stating that "Our Founding Fathers fought to abolish slavery". OR, the one that I REALLY loved was when she said that "Slavery had a positive effect on African American families".

And going back to your comment:

so, thinking obama might not actually be an American citizen is racist, really?

Name me ONE TIME in the history of this country, in the history of the presidency, when we have dared asked ANY SITTING PRESIDENT to prove that they were born here. While you're at it, answer me this: If his birth certificate was such a huge issue, why didn't ANYONE bring it up when he ran for the U.S Senate?

@kev

ok, I'll bite..

1. whacked out nutjob female with issues, they do exist in and out of the republican and democrat parties.

2. I've honestly never seen any film with people calling for the assassination of BO, I can't say the same about protesters against GWB though

3. free excersise of 2nd amendment rights, and if you recall, there were black folks there with guns as well.

4. Michelle Bachmann misspoke alot, I don't blame racism though, and her point about slavery, I guess, was probably to do with the perception that black men don't stick around to be the Dad much.

5. No president in history has had this scetchy of an upbringing (Kenyan father, who is not in the picture anymore, kenyan brother, grandmother who used to say he was born in kenya, ect. ect.

Did you question the citizenship of any other President in history?

Actually I believe McCain had to prove citizenship also did he? how does that play into the whole racist thing?

Actually I believe McCain had to prove citizenship also did he? how does that play into the whole racist thing?

Exactly when was John McCain a president?

Pablo, it was brought up by the left during the 2008 general election.

You have to accept all of the facts, not just the juicy liberal ones, if you want to be taken seriously.

. I've honestly never seen any film with people calling for the assassination of BO, I can't say the same about protesters against GWB though

Really? Is yours a convenient memory, or just a bad one ...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw3o3y77MaA

wow... sketchy upbringing... His grandfather fought in WWII... yea, now that is some really unAmerican activities for ya...

You have to accept all of the facts, not just the juicy liberal ones, if you want to be taken seriously.

And you have to learn to read if you want to be taken seriously.

The question was asked twice....

Name me ONE TIME in the history of this country, in the history of the presidency, when we have dared asked ANY SITTING PRESIDENT to prove that they were born here

and again here....

Did you question the citizenship of any other President in history?

Then Quando omni flunkus moritati responded to the above in quotes with this gem....

Actually I believe McCain had to prove citizenship also did he?

I will try to make this as simple as possible for you.

Both of the above posts asked a specific question about whether any other PRESIDENTS had their citizenship questioned.

The operative word being PRESIDENT.

Now, I know that conservatives have a hard time accepting that the black guy actually beat McCain in the election, but McCain was NEVER actually a PRESIDENT.

Let me make this easy for you.

If someone asks a question about a PRESIDENT, do not respond with a comment about John McCain, or Al Gore, or Bob Dole, or Ross Perot, or Jesse jackson, or John Kerry, or Rush @!$%#ing Limbaugh for that matter, because they were NOT @!$%#ING PRESIDENTS

Got it?

Matthew, why don't you tell us about his other grandpa?

yea, now that is some really unAmerican activities for ya...

What no mention of the drunk driving or cocaine addiction?

Justen, how many US war vets does a citizen need as a grandfather to justify their rightful citizenship. I don't care if his other grandfather WAS ACTUALLY Mao Tse Tung... don't you get it... He was born to an American mom, whose dad fought for this country. regardless of what his paternal lineage is, Obama's citizenship is beyond question. unless you really don't care about the facts.

Martin Van Buren and Chester Arthur.

But I get your point regarding the level of vitriol directed towards President Obama.

Now don't try and paint me as a "birther" he's provided enough proof for me not to have any issue,

but matt, you do realize that just because one of your parents is an American, doesn't automaticly make you an American.

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Martin Van Buren

MVB was the first American born president, there is no controversy of his birth place that I have seen he was born in Kinderhook,ny 1782 to an established family

and Chester Arthur.

That arose when he was running as vice president, by an opposition parties smear merchant who said he was born in Ireland , then Canada, both charges largely ignored. There was no controversy where he was born when he became president . Just sayin is all.

but matt, you do realize that just because one of your parents is an American, doesn't automaticly make you an American.

If you were born in the united states, and your foreign parent wasn't a foreign diplomat it does

Regarding Van Buren, the question was raised as to whether he was Dutch, if I recall correctly.

And, of course, there's been the long list of people who were candidates who had the same sorts of questions raised, but as you pointed out, you weren't asking about candidates.

I'm not horribly interested in arguing with you, since I (much like you, I reckon) think that the whole birther "controversy" was mind-numbingly dumb. President Obama was pretty clearly born in Hawaii, had an American citizen as a one of his parents and thus meets the "natural born citizen" clause for qualification.

Regards,

dwillie...could you please elaborate on that brief comment...that isn't much for us to go on...maybe you could go into greater detail...while you are finishing up, I will read War and Peace.

Ha!

Though what I've posted does represent the mere tip of the proverbial iceberg, there is no need to belabor the point.

Just want to say, "WTG Pablo". Good job. :)

Exactly when was John McCain a president?

he had to prove it to run for president but that wasn't even the comment i was referring to.

Did you question the citizenship of any other President in history?

Do you question the citizenship of any member of Congress - on either side of the Aisle?

How about your neighbors .... or your fellow workers/students ..

for you to say that there are no racist democrats would be well...not correct.

also..he is driving a chevy.....all the small government people I knew who drove chevy's went out and sold theirs after it became government motors.

it more than likely is a republican..however...it could be a democrat. you never know.

also..he is driving a chevy.....all the small government people I knew who drove chevy's went out and sold theirs after it became government motors.

Oh boy !!!!!! They have gone completely off the cliff .....

Why not just admit that the Right uses race-baiting as a matter of public course, and be done with it?

Why play this game?

Why play this game?

It's all they've got.

I can think of several reasons why he sucks...and his race has nothing to do with it.

That is true.

I find it absolutely hilarious that you people call out the Right for Racism, when you use race as your only weapon.

svf

who were you before you got banned the last time?

ScreamingForVengeance has said he is not allowed to vote.

That doesn't mean he hasn't chosen a side...

its Obama's "Yes We Can" symbol i believe

Of course you do.

Hence comedy,like fact, eludes the conservative mind