Sophie0571 is a liar. Sally, the moderator is a liar. I don't know if they are fat. I don't know if they are pigs. But I do know they are both liars, both ideologues that can't stand diversity of opinion and they are truth averse.

They both manufacture distortions and outright lies to justify kicking conservatives off the Vine, to limit opinion to their own.

Sally and Soph0571 are the equivalent of the police at the door of Kenneth Chamberlain Sr., foul, obnoxious, ready to use the maximum force available to them to end opposition to their ideological demands and commands.

Both of them can kiss my butt and the butts of every other American they excluded from their circle of Marxist Obama butt-lickers in their little closed loop of loons here on the Vine.

 

Well well well, what a jolly couple of days it has been here on the vine.  One particularly noxious re-reg that has taken considerable offense at his inability to respect this site, the UA and the CoH has gone on the attack.  I am not a liar, and Sally sure the hell isn’t.  I can’t even ban myself, never mind anyone else.  While amusing me greatly with his outlandish distortions and factual inaccuracies on, well, pretty much everything, it is symptomatic of a more deep seated issue here that needs to discussed.

The childish and personal insults are not really the issue.  Am I I fat?  Am I a pig?  LOL  such childishness is not worthy of a response.  What is more worrying is this underlying belief from some on the right of the vine that they are not welcome here.  That there is some kind of personal vendetta against them because they are conservative.  That is just not true.  There are plenty of conservatives on the vine who debate, with magnificent gusto daily, and who I would hazard a guess have as many liberals in blue as they do conservatives.  Why?  Because they understand and abide by the CoH. 

So here it is.  Everyone is welcome on the vine.  Debating an echo chamber is bloody boring and the conservatives on this site need  liberals, and the liberals need  conservatives.  We need the juices to flow!!!!!  

I fear these kinds of attacks on the integrity of the vine are going to increase as November looms.  As a community what can we do to either change that perception among some, or minimise it at the least?  

And in closing,  I would never kiss butt – kick it maybe (verbally in a debate of course) – but never kiss it!